Hey Mr. Jo Mama you are no different from the kkk white 
supermacisit with that dirty language you use by calling all 
arabic people sand niggers. You piece of dirt kkk 
representative. You  all believe in the killing of innocent 
people because of their race and religion. You are Just like the 
Taliban, NAzi,Bin Landen,Timothy Mc Vay, etc because you all use 
your religion as excuse for you racisim and your evil feelings 
for human kind. I bet you want all people of arabic decent to go 
back from where they came from huh ? Well my answer to you is U 
GO BACK FROM WHERE  EVER THE HELL YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM!  
American is a country made of imigrants and if you remember 
your  history correctly this land was the native americans and 
we the "proud americans" took it over and had mass genocide 
against Indians. JO MAMA Its sad to know that in this day an age 
people like you still exist in the world. May God forgive you 
for your racism and hopefully one day you will see that we all 
are 99.9% the same it doesn't matter what race or religion we 
are because we are all the children of GOD! You are a poor exuse 
for a human being and your brian washed mentality is no good in 
our American society.. 

I looked it up, but the words in the Qu-ran of my posession, are 
completely different from the ones you wrote.
Especially the Nisa 5:51 gets me, my version does not even make 
sense, and seems to be cut:
"O ye who believe!
Take not the Jews 
And the Christians (...to what; the cinema?)
They are
Those who rebel"

An, a little further on:
"And if any fail to judge
By what Allah
Has revealed, they are
Wrong-doers
But nothing about not taking Jews and Christians for friends 
etc., not very convenient to let us know that.
This confirms what I said in a previous post:
These kind of books are made to the advantage of the people who 
wrote them and a-kins!
Also, a very inquieting thought:
Maybe the Qu-rans they give away as presents to Westerners have 
been censured, not to let us know the hateful messages written 
in the original one!
We should all unite against the Islam, not in the name of 
Christ, but in the name of our wonderful free world. These are 
very dangerous times!!!!!!

Of course I referred to the verse in Al-Ma'ida, even though all 
the others are different as well.
May peace be on the Americans and all of us who stand behind 
them!!!!

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE DR. SEUSS, YOU MIGHT LIKE THIS
 (Author unknown) 

This is the story of "The Binch" 

Every U down in Uville liked the U.S. a lot, 
But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not. 
The Binch hated the U.S! The whole U.S. way! 
Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say, 
It could be his turban was screwed on too tight. 
Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright 
But,  I think that the most likely reason of all 
May have been that his heart was ten sizes too small. 

But, whatever the reason, his heart or his turban, 
He sat facing Uville, the part that was urban. 
"They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch. 
"They're raising their families! They're going to church! 
They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving, 
I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!" 

Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's, 
Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses, 
They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools, 
And abide by their U and S values and rules, 

And then they'd do something he liked least of all, 
Every U  down in U-ville, the tall and the small, 
Would stand all united, each U and  each S, 
And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!" 
All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand, 
and their voices would drown every sound in the land. 

"I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk, 
and he had an idea--an idea that might work! 
The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours, 
and crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers. 
"They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour, 
"And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?" 

The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping, 
All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping, 
Instead he heard something that started quite low, 
And it built quite slowly, but it started to grow-- 
Then the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing... 
And he couldn't believe it--they started to sing! 

He stared down at U-Ville, not trusting his eyes, 
what he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise! 
Every U down in U-Ville, the tall and the small, 
was singing! Without any towers at all! 
He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung! 
For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young, 
Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride, 
and you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside. 

So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall, 
with a hand in each hand of the tall and the small, 
and we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope, 
For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope. 

For America means a bit more than tall towers.
It means more than wealth or political powers, 
It's more than our enemies ever could guess, 
So may God bless America! Bless us!  God bless! 

Right on!  I was thinking the same thing...say, Jo Mama, are 
you 'sheet-faced' bigot?  Sounds like it.
That's not what this country is about.
Where were you when the president said this is a battle against 
TERRORISM, not religion?

Of course, the president did a great thing to make that 
statement, a man in his place should do nothing else.
But this sure as hell is not about poverty, or globalisation, 
these terrorists are religious fanatics who only want to destroy 
everything on this earth in order to subdue all people to their 
own sadistic religion. And power.
After all, all that matters for tem is a "life hereafter"

The founder of Islam was a pedophile.  He married a young girl 
of seven but waited until she was nine to rape her.  Look it 
up.  Old Mohammed was nothing but a pedophile.  LOOK IT UP!

The butchers in this world are Muslim.  Bin Laden, Saddam, 
Assad, Arafat, the Saudi family, and so on.  Look it up.  Show 
me one elected government in the Arab world or one that gives 
full rights to women.

Do you know that the Saudi family  owns Saudi Arabia?  And that 
every man, women, and child is a slave of the King.  My God, 
it's a pity that we have to deal with such, but we do.

Look at Iran.  A country that sent children to clear mine fields 
with a plastic key in their hands that they were told was 
the "key to paradise".  Tens of thousands were slaughtered by 
the Iragi army.


Look at Iran.  A country that used chemical weapons against its 
own people.  A country that slaughtered over 250,000 people who 
occupied the region around the Euphrates River.  By the way, 
Bill Clinton did nothing about it.  He could have stopped it.

Country after country in the Islamic world hates us simply 
because we have a sense of decency.  They hate us because of our 
tolerance.  They hate us because of our religion.  they hate us 
because of our freedom.

Isn't it time we have a show down with them?

In my last post in the next to last paragraph it should be Irag 
instead of Iran.  Iran massed raped young girls before they put 
then to death because their fucked up Koran says a virgin cannot 
be put to death. Look it up.

I think your conclusion about the different texts of quran is 
likely, and very interesting. 
I don't know if this is true, but many years ago I also read (in 
a book of E.A.Poe) that somewhere in the quran is written that 
"the earth is supported in the space by a celeste cow with 400 
horns".

P.S. very soon I'll post my great reply to cool/john/good 
thinker.

Yes, it's true, the Moslim one is a religion of hatred. Now we 
have to fight neither all Moslim, nor all Islam, because many of 
them don't like what al-quaeda terrorists have just done, but 
about the question wether the Moslim religion means hatred, well 
it does. It's barbarous. Actually also our culture passed though 
periodes in which we committed some true barbarous crimes in the 
name of religion (that then is REALLY a religion of love), our 
middle age is since a long time over, our culture and our 
mentality had their evolution since then, while Moslim religion 
kept Islam still in their middle age. This is their problem, and 
their difference from us. 

Until I read the above message, for a minute, I didnt think u 
were an airhead. 
Sadly enough, and to my surprise, I should have known better.
No religion is a religion of hatred.
And about the cow with 400 horns holding up the earth... it just 
further proves your ignorance. Would you believe me if I told u 
I saw a cow with 400 horns, parked outside your garage way, with 
a number plate on its butt? According to u, if u were asked 
about it, u'd say:
I don't know if this is true, but many years ago I also read 
that...
Educate urself, and stop making Italians look like ignorant 
fools, coz my brothers in Law are Italian, but u r probably what 
I think u r.. 
NOT ITALIAN! 

Dear Satin Bin Ladin;
   You are a pussy. George Bush is a Stud. I guess your 
wondering what is going to happen to you. Well, it isn't up to 
you. You are a common criminal and you are being chased around 
like the whimp satanic pussy you are. 
   Keep looking over your shoulder. Your friends are betraying 
you. You can't trust anyone. Your in deep shit! 
    Time is not on your side, nor do you have any choice on what 
happens when. Bring on your scare tactics, pussy. We will defeat 
you no matter the cost.
    Good bye and say hello to your leader, Satin.
Freedom

Let's get this straight...you (and others) are saying go after 
ALL Islam, using the reasoning that bin Laden purports to be 
Islamic...by that reasoning

Islam=bin Laden
KKK=ALL Americans
Hitler=ALL Germans

etc...etc...

Let's get real here, folks.  There are a few fundamentalist 
factions in every religion.  That doesn't mean EVERYONE of that 
faith adheres to the same warped principles.

Stop Hate Crimes Now
 
 (New York, September 21, 2001) Human Rights Watch condemns the 
violent assaults, harassment and threats against Muslims, Sikhs 
and people of Middle Eastern and South Asian descent that have 
occurred in the United States since September 11. These shameful 
acts against men, women and children targeted because of their 
religious beliefs, ethnicity or national origin violate basic 
principles of human rights and justice. Misguided violence at 
the hands of a few dishonors the nation's legitimate anger and 
shock over the immense loss of life and destruction from the 
September 11 attacks in the United States.  "These shameful acts 
against men, women and children targeted because of their 
religious beliefs, ethnicity or national origin violate basic 
principles of human rights and justice."    
Since Sept. 11, monitoring groups around the country have 
received several hundred complaints alleging crimes apparently 
motivated by bias and hate. A shooting rampage in Mesa, Arizona, 
left one Sikh man dead, with additional shots fired at a 
Lebanese clerk and the home of an Afghan family. An Egyptian-
American grocer was shot and killed near his store in San 
Gabriel, California and a storeowner from Pakistan was shot dead 
in Dallas, Texas. A gasoline bomb was thrown into the home of a 
Sikh family in California.Beatings and other violent assaults 
were reported across the country, as were death and bomb 
threats. Mosques and Sikh temples have been shot at, vandalized, 
and defaced, and bricks were thrown through the window of an 
Islamic bookstore in Virginia. At several U.S. universities, 
foreign students from the Middle East and South Asia have been 
targeted for attacks, and some have chosen to leave the country 
because they feared additional attacks. Throughout the country 
affected community members have been afraid to leave their 
homes, go to work or wear traditional clothing for fear of 
possible hate crimes against them.Human Rights Watch commends 
U.S. President George Bush, Attorney General John Ashcroft, New 
York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and other officials who have 
called on the public to reject national or religious 
stereotyping that would blame whole communities for the 
appalling deeds of a few - deeds, in fact, whose victims 
included members of some of the same religious, ethnic and 
national minorities now being injured by retaliation.During 
President Bush's visit to the Islamic Center in Washington D.C. 
on September 17, he stated, "those who feel like they can 
intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't 
represent the best of America, they represent the worst of 
humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior." 
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has repeatedly emphasized that 
individuals should not be singled out for any type of harassment 
in retaliation for the World Trade Center attack.In these 
painful times, the values of tolerance and respect for each 
other and the rule of law are all the more crucial. Urgent 
measures must be taken to counteract and prevent xenophobic and 
racist attacks against migrants, asylum seekers, and refugees. 
Human Rights Watch calls on public officials as well as civic 
and community leaders to act decisively and creatively during 
the coming months to affirm those values and to prevent further 
acts of retaliation. We urge them to reach out to Muslim, Arab-
American and other communities vulnerable to reprisal and hate, 
and to condemn attacks against them. We also call on law 
enforcement officials to provide enhanced protection for 
targeted individuals and groups, and their homes, places of 
business, and houses of worship; to vigorously investigate any 
reports of criminal behavior against them; and to hold 
accountable those found responsible.The terrible events of 
September 11 constituted not only an attack on people and 
property - they were an attack as well on the very principles of 
human rights. As the nation forges its individual and collective 
response to this outrage, it must uphold those cherished 
principles. Anger at the heinousness of the September 11 attacks 
is understandable. But that anger cannot justify vengeful and 
lawless violence against the innocent.

If the atrocities outlined above continue, then bin Laden has 
won.

Until I read the above message, for a minute, I didnt think u 
were an airhead. 
Sadly enough, and to my surprise, I should have known better.
No religion is a religion of hatred.
And about the cow with 400 horns holding up the earth... it just 
further proves your ignorance. Would you believe me if I told u 
I saw a cow with 400 horns, parked outside your garage way, with 
a number plate on its butt? According to u, if u were asked 
about it, u'd say:
I don't know if this is true, but many years ago I also read 
that...
Educate urself, and stop making Italians look like ignorant 
fools, coz my brothers in Law are Italian, but u r probably what 
I think u r.. 
NOT ITALIAN! 
Well, 
1) I am Italian!
2) Moslim religion IS a religion of hatred, if what "speak the 
truth" quoted about koran is true;
3) NOTHING what I said of, proves any ignorance ever;
4) as far as I know about koran and Moslim mentality, there
would be nothing to be amazed if that story of the big celeste 
cow with 400 horns was true;
5) yeah, if I were asked about it, I'd right answer that way,  
because it's a quite normal answer;
6) I am already educated, why?
7) and actually I never started to make Italians ignorant fools; 
on the contrary, what I say expresses culture and love for thuth 
and for justice
8) what you say just expresses love for the Quran; I think we've 
got quite different values.

(Love live through compassion and compassion is born from love).
I pray to all beings who are suffering from all forms of false
man made religous laws .I know that there is a Creator of all 
things and that , for the time being , since we still are mostly 
evolving slowly to univeral understanding of ourselves and of
others. May we ,therefore, pray for our salvation in this most
difficult and sad time . BABAJI love all sentient beings no 
matter how terrible they may be. I PRAY WITH LOVE IN MY HEART.

                                 A friend of BABAJI.

I hear over an over again how many people from the middle east 
cheered when the WTC collapsed.  I can't in million years 
understand this.  Sure you explain how many arabs died, and I 
understand that but I don't know of anyone cheering about this.  
Those of you who cheered are pathetic animals with no regard for 
human life. You are morally weak and I hope you learn the lesson 
you are about to.  Watch how the world might end on the brink of 
nuclear disaster and when your crying for your lives, remember 
your laughter. The world trade is the first of many deaths that 
your own people will face.   Pathetic you are. Join the human 
race.

I agree with you, and do excuse myself if it seems I enticed 
people do use violence against the Musliims. Nothing less true 
than that,I am by nature not a violent person, all I meant is 
that we should start to stand up for what we do or do not 
believe in and not always be so over-indulgent towards people 
who are criticising us in the name of Allah.
Of course the US and Europe are part of the free world where, 
fortunately, everyone may believe in whatever they like.
But I also think we should stop being so naive. Don't forget the 
Islam is, as the Muslims themselves admit, a political as well 
as a religious institution.
And I am sure that behind the idea of that so-called "Holy War", 
or the "Jihad",lies the intention of destroying the Western 
world. I think the good Muslims should also question themselves 
about that.
And we should also be a bit more weary about who we welcome into 
our countries and homes; mr. Atta was a well esteemed neighbour 
in Europe, quiet and very educated.
He and his fellow Kamik-nazis were wealthy, well-educated 
people, who would not have spent a penny for the populations of 
the poor Arabian countries, but spent loads of money to learn 
how to destroy the world of the persons that hosted them.
And what do you figure were their last words before crashing 
with airplaes into the buildings? Right: "Allah Akhbar!!"
Your remark about the Bin Laden, the KKK and Hitler  has no 
value.
The KKK are just a bunch of local loonheads, never capable to 
organise themselves the way the fundamental Muslems do because 
they would not likely distroy their own homeland. And you can 
very well tell normal Amercans from the KKK-ones. Which is not 
true about the Islamics.
As far as the Germans are concerned, it took Europeans like the 
Dutch a long time not to have prejudices anymore against all of 
them, the older people that experienced the war and the 
occupation still do have them, but because the Germans 
themselves could understand those feelings, the relationships 
are better now.
It's also no use saying, like the Pope does, that religion and 
violence do not go together, just take a look around you: 
Philippines, Indonesia, India, Shri-Lanka, Pakistan, 
Afghanistan, Iraq, even Ireland, all countries where religions 
use violence against other religions.
OK, no violence, but let us not be too "meek"; at this moment 
being angry is healthy and completely legitimate!!

YIUYOIUYOU

I am wondering about the Israels situation now that Ariel Sharon
has bitten the hand that feeds him with those comments he made.
Hopefully US will just pull out of Israel once and for all.

Sharon really has some nerve after accepting billions of US
dollars for years and then issue statements, he should talk...he
is a war criminal himself.

I hope Israel finally gets what is coming to them, they are
pathetic and only upset because the US is on the Playground with
some new friends who they don't like!


  

10-4-01

Iraq Praises Usama bin Laden,Taliban,Saddam for 
'Terrorizing' the World 


Iraq praised Usama bin Laden,Taliban and even their own 
leader,Saddam Hussein, on Wednesday for using 
Saddam's huge supply of terrorist money against the west 
and the poor Muslims throughout the Middle East as a way 
of ``terrorizing'' the world.

Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz said the fortunes of 
Saddam make possible the actions against the U.S.along 
with assistance of Taliban rulers,  and Usama bin Laden. 

``Iraq's terrorism is a war against humanity, not against a 
single country but all of civilization (It) aims at terrorizing the 
whole world,'' Aziz told reporters.

``Our country and the Talibn do not need such a great 
amount of military arsenal to cause great harm to the west 
and throughout the world. The main objective of these 
terrorist attacks on the U.S. is to impose Saddam's terrorist 
imperialism on the world.''

The U.S. military is mobilizing heavily in the Gulf and Indian 
Ocean regions in apparent preparation for an assault on 
Afghanistan, whose Taliban rulers have sheltered bin 
Laden -- Washington's prime suspect for the September 11 
attacks on the United States in which some 6,000 people 
were killed or are missing.

U.S. officials have not ruled out raids on other countries they 
accuse of harboring ``terrorists.'' Iraq is one of seven 
nations Washington regards as ``state sponsors of 
terrorism.''

``If the United States is planning for a new aggression 
(against Iraq) we will confront such aggression as we had 
done in the past war,'' Aziz said.

On Monday, the Jordanian news agency Petra quoted 
Jordan's King Abdullah as saying U.S. President George 
Bush had pledged not to undertake military strikes on any 
Arab state, including Iraq, in revenge for the attacks.

The report was quickly denied by U.S. officials.

``We have asked for any pledge from anybody. The 
aggression of Iraq has been continuing for the last 10 
years,'' Aziz said in reference to raids on U.S. targets with 
western commercial planes, and we plan to continue such 
attacks. 

The Iraqi government had not officially taken credit for the 
September 11 suicide plane attacks on the United States, 
but Aziz sent letters of congradulations to bin Laden and 
Taliban rulers opposed to U.S. and her allies.

Baghdad has confimed press reports linking one of the 
suicide hijackers to its intelligence apparatus and said it 
had a solid relationship with bin Laden and with the Taliban. 
U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney has said investigations 
have found Iraqi link to the attacks.

Aziz condemned Iraq's foe Kuwait for accusing two Iraqi 
nationals of spying. Kuwaiti state television last week 
showed two men it described as Iraqi agents who had 
spied on military and civilian targets in Kuwait.

``The Kuwaiti rulers are telling the truth but they are trying to 
find an excuse for the United States to launch new 
aggression on Iraq,'' he said.

Washington led a multinational force in 1991 that forced Iraq 
to withdraw its invasion forces from Kuwait. The border 
between the two countries is monitored by a U.N. 
peacekeeping force
Source:BAGHDAD (Reuters) 

10/05/2001 : "Iraq Says U.S. Attacks Carried Out by Iraqi 
Sponsored Terrorism" 

Iraq says U.S. Attacks carried out by state sponsored 
terrorism with
aid from Taliban rulers and Osama bin Laden. 


Last month's suicide attacks in New York and Washington 
were carried out by Osama bin Laden and his militant 
Muslims, Iraq's Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan said 
in remarks published last Wednesday.

``We are assisting the Taliban and bin Laden...and the 
executors of the attacks were state sponsored,'' Ramadan 
told the al-Raee newspaper.

``The operation was carried out from inside Afghanistan and 
cells based throughout the west,'' he said.

On Saturday, President Bush repeatedly named Saudi-born 
militant Osama bin Laden, based in Afghanistan under the 
protection of the ruling Taliban movement, as a prime 
suspect behind the attacks which may have killed over 
6,000 people.

Ramadan also admitted to Iraqi officials financing and 
suppling the Taliban
with arms.

``The whole world knows that we are aggressive throughout 
the 
Musilim World,'' he said, adding that the W.T.C. attacks were 
a retaliation against ``military acts practiced by the American 
administration.''

Saddam Hussein on Saturday advised the United States to 
use non violence, and not force, in retaliation.

Ramadan described the deadly attacks as the fruit of 
Saddam's policies toward the United States and the civilized 
world. ``America has to review its internal and external 
policies,'' he added.

Iraq, which faced a U.S.-led alliance in the 1991 Gulf War 
following Baghdad's invasion of Kuwait, has used its media 
to hail the attacks
source:BAGHDAD (Reuters) 

America will be coming after your sorry asses as soon as we kill 
Osama.  Then we should hang Saddam and Aziz from a lamp post.

The USA, UK, and Israel will do what has to be done.  As Bush 43 
says, "Make no mistake about it."  

I am a peace loving man who believes:

AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
A KILLING FOR A KILLING.

BEWARE THE PALE HORSE.  FOR ON HIS CHEST IS A SHIELD AND IN THE 
HAND OF HIS RIDER A SWORD.  WE RIDE A PALE HORSE. DIE YOU ARAB 
FUCKS.

IASPS
Division for Research in Strategy

April 
2000                                                             
                  No. 9
 
The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
    

Afghanistan The very name conjures up notions of some far away 
land, of war with the Soviets, and now of a haven for 
international terrorists and drugs.  The country is small, poor, 
inhospitable, and one of the least developed in the world.  
There are no railroads to speak of, a primitive road network, 
some of the most difficult terrain in the world, with high, 
sometimes inaccessible mountains. Its people are fierce. In the 
words of Jason Goodwin:  This is a region that has swallowed 
civilizations, and sent the sands to seal them up.  It has been 
dug, charted, swindled and coerced, but what can change the fact 
that its deserts are as dry as ever, its mountains vast, and it 
is still a long, long way from the sea? [1] 

 

Why then have so many great nations fought in and over 
Afghanistan, and why should we be concerned with it now? In 
short, because Afghanistan is the crossroads between what 
Halford MacKinder called the world s Heartland and the Indian 
sub continent. It owes its importance to its location at the 
confluence of major routes.  A boundary between land power and 
sea power, it is the meeting point between opposing forces 
larger than itself.   Alexander the Great used it as a path to 
conquest.  So did the Moghuls.  An object of competition between 
the British and Russian empires in the 19th century, Afghanistan 
became a source of controversy between the American and Soviet 
superpowers in the 20th.   With the collapse of the Soviet 
Union, it has become an important potential opening to the sea 
for the landlocked new states of Central Asia.  The presence of 
large oil and gas deposits in that area has attracted countries 
and multinational corporations.  Russia and China, not to 
mention Pakistan and India, are deeply involved in trying to 
shape the future of what may be the world s most unchangeable 
people. Because Afghanistan is a major strategic pivot what 
happens there affects the rest of the world.

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
 
Throughout the world we see the rapid proliferation of new 
states (or entities seeking to become states).  As quick, has 
been a sort of spreading collapse of state power.  This has been 
true in most of Africa, in large segments of the former Soviet 
Union, and in Central and South Asia. Afghanistan may be the 
prototype case. It certainly remains a prime illustration of how 
a seemingly unimportant entities can exert disproportionate 
influence on the course of great events.

 

Today, most of the states active in the Afghanistan drama are 
weak, have major internal problems, and are confronting 
international tensions.  Pakistan, currently the dominant 
player, is in grave economic straits, faces mounting internal 
instability and sectarian violence, all in addition to 
heightened tensions with India over Kashmir.  Russia has gone 
from one economic crisis to another, and faces major ethnic 
unrest, including a protracted guerrilla war in Chechnya.  Its 
political system is unstable. Some have questioned the 
capability of Moscow to control its own far-flung provinces, let 
alone attempt to exert influence abroad.[2]   The new Central 
Asian republics face actual or potential ethnic and sectarian 
strife.  All are highly vulnerable to external intervention, 
especially from Russia.   Iran s own internal institutions are 
torn between the factions of a massively unpopular ruling 
theocratic elite.   China, without doubt the most powerful of 
the neighboring states, also confronts an unsettled situation in 
its Muslim province of Xinjiang, abutting northeastern Pakistan, 
Afghanistan, and Kazakhstan.  Furthermore, as Beijing s 
crackdown on the Falun Dong sect and dissidents indicates, 
Chinese authorities are increasingly concerned (with reason) 
over their control of the population. Rapid modernization and 
economic progress have released decentralizing pressures and 
tendencies that ill accord with the requirements of Communist 
control.[3] Why then are they all involved in Afghanistan, and 
what are their chances of getting what they want? 

 

In short, these countries  essentially zero-sum-game policies 
aimed at control, have virtually no chance of succeeding.  
Pakistan, in the driver s seat in Afghanistan for the time 
being, continues trying to establish a malleable puppet 
government led by the Taliban, a radical Islamic movement mostly 
of the majority Pushtun ethnic group.   On the other side are 
most of the remaining interested parties: a loose anti-Pakistan, 
anti-Taliban coalition of Russia, Iran, most of the Central 
Asian republics, and India.  Pakistani strategy rests on its 
association with the Pushtuns, the dominant ethnic group in 
Afghanistan, who live in the southeast, while that of its 
opponents perforce leans on northern ethnic minorities, the 
Tadjiks, Uzbeks, and the Shiite Hazaras of the country s central 
massif.  This coalition, even were it to be successful 
militarily, would not be able to effectively govern Afghanistan 
any more than would the Pushtuns. 

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
 
All of Afghanistan s neighbors are fearful of the Islamic 
fundamentalist threat posed by the Taliban spreading into their 
own territories.  Russia has from the beginning sought to keep 
the former Soviet Central Asian republics within the Russian 
orbit, which in part has meant ensuring their continued 
dependence on Russia.  The opening of a new trade route for the 
Central Asian republics through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the 
Indian Ocean would clearly defeat such an objective. Iran has 
similarly sought to prevent the possible flow of Central Asian 
oil and gas through Afghanistan.  Iran has jealously guarded its 
position in the energy field and sought to discourage the 
construction of any pipeline that would not go through Iran 
itself.  Blocking a consolidation of Pakistani control over 
Afghanistan is clearly easier to do than for Pakistan to firm up 
and maintain such control.  But, as we will see, even Islamabad 
may not be looking for stability in a way familiar in the West.  
And attempting to perpetuate a state of what we might 
call  controlled chaos  is, as the Soviets were fond of 
saying,  playing with fire.  

 

  The possibility of a non-zero-sum game solution, beneficial to 
all, exists. So far none of the parties have shown the least 
inclination to seek such a solution.  Obviously, the West in 
general and the U.S. in particular, cannot hope to teach the 
various parties what policies would be in their ultimate 
interest.  Yet the following pages point out some opportunities 
available to the West to  stabilize Afghanistan.

 

Afghanistan s twentieth century history encompasses two major 
geostrategic thrusts.   The first from 1978 to 1989, a Moscow-
generated southward movement, was a catastrophic failure that 
contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The end of the 
first thrust was followed by a short ambiguous interregnum of 
some three years, 1989 to 1992, which saw both the collapse of 
the southward thrust and the creation of a significant political 
vacuum. This political vacuum presented Pakistan with unforeseen 
opportunities. The second thrust, from 1992 to present, is 
northward and underwritten by Islamabad.  While still being 
played out, it seems well on its way to following the sad 
pattern established earlier by the Soviet Union.  Initial 
successes, which by 1997 were leading some observers to proclaim 
a Taliban victory and counsel accommodation with the status quo, 
by 1998-1999 were giving way to stalemate.  The Taliban s 
inability to achieve a definitive victory, discussed below, was 
then just as quickly interpreted as signifying its approaching 
end.  Could it be that Islamabad will soon face a choice similar 
to the one that confronted Moscow in late 1978 and 1979? Or are 
there constraints upon Pakistan which did not exist for the 
Soviet Union? In any event, is there any reason to believe that 
Islamabad might succeed where Moscow failed?  Or again, is there 
perhaps a way to break out of the established pattern?  The 
material that follows explores the pattern of the thrusts 
outlined above and attempts to address these questions.

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
 
          Southward Thrust, 1953 -1989

Emir Abdur Rahman, Afghanistan s leader in the late 19th 
century, described his country   then the target of the Russian-
British Great Game, as a goat between two lions. That apt phrase 
described well the position of Afghanistan between the 
countervailing pressures of the two empires.  The British 
withdrawal, after WWII, removed the only counterweight to 
Russian expansion. Moreover, British colonial policies had 
ensured that relations between Afghanistan and the new state of 
Pakistan would be inimical from the start. Afghanistan was the 
only country which voted against the admission of the new state 
of Pakistan to the United Nations. The boundary between the two 
states   the so-called Durand Line   was the product of 
concessions forced upon a reluctant but helpless Afghanistan by 
the British in the 19th century.  It arbitrarily divided major 
Pushtun tribes on the two sides of a new border, and immediately 
became a source of controversy. That antagonism helped the 
Soviet Union s gradual penetration of Afghanistan.

Soviet interest and influence in the country begins in the early 
post-Revolutionary period. The Soviet push for dominance of 
Afghanistan, however, began in 1953 when Mohammed Daoud, a 
cousin and brother-in-law of the king, became prime minister and 
availed himself of Soviet offers of assistance against Pakistan. 
Soviet military assistance, including the training of Afghan 
officers in the USSR, began at Daoud s initiative.  
Nevertheless,  Afghanistan tried to balance its growing links 
with Moscow with repeated requests for American economic and 
military assistance.  Washington rebuffed these requests.[4]  As 
Leon Poullada wrote, by the mid 1950s  a more powerful obstacle 
had emerged.  Pakistan, a new American ally, objected strongly 
to any U.S. military assistance to Afghanistan.[5]

 From that time onward, Moscow s influence in Afghanistan was 
never challenged by other powers.  The U.S. was content to leave 
that country within the Soviet sphere of influence.  In drawing 
its ring of alliances through Pakistan, Washington had conceded 
Afghanistan.  By 1960 Moscow was already asking to have Soviet 
advisers placed in each Afghan ministry.  As in other countries, 
Moscow operated through the formal state structures as well as 
by encouraging the development and growth of local Communist 
movements.   The Afghan Communist Party, the PDPA (People s 
Democratic Party of Afghanistan) was created in 1965, a 
byproduct of the previous year s democratization moves by the 
king.  In 1973, when former Prime Minister Daoud overthrew the 
king and proclaimed a republic, it was with the support of pro-
Soviet army and air force officers, and with that of the 
Parcham  Banner  wing of the Communist party. 

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
 
The coup fit in neatly with Moscow s desire for ever greater 
control over Afghan affairs.  The leader of the coup, a cousin 
to the king, had impeccable pro-Soviet credentials.  But because 
Daoud was  a relative of the king, the change would be seen as 
simply part of an internal family struggle and would therefore 
be acceptable to the Afghan people.  The transformation from 
monarchy to republic through a nationalist leader would be seen 
in the outside world as a progressive move in keeping with 
modernizing trends.  There was every reason to believe that 
Soviet interests would be strengthened without raising 
significant opposition.

 The Soviets were soon disappointed.  What happened next was 
inherent in the nature of Afghanistan: Daoud, like many of the 
Afghan leaders before and since, felt that he could manipulate 
the Soviets while minimizing their manipulation of him and his 
country.   Once in power, Daoud started to eliminate his 
Communist backers from positions of influence.  Abroad, he soon 
embarked on a series of moves to improve relations with 
neighboring states and with religious Muslim states.  In order 
to ensure a more independent stance and to diversify his base of 
external support, he began to send Afghan military officers to 
Egypt and India for training.  Just prior to his overthrow in 
1973, he had initiated similar steps with Pakistan.  

 In both the overthrow of the king and the bloody assassination 
of Daoud a mere five years later, an Afghan leader s attempts to 
improve relations with its neighbors   in particular with 
Pakistan   was followed by his removal from power.  Moscow, 
twice disappointed with its path of indirect control, decided to 
rely on Communists.  The April 1978 coup brought the 
Khalq  Masses  wing of the PDPA to power.  The Communists 
immediately proceeded to implement their Marxist program, which 
entailed control of all aspects of Afghan life.

 The Afghans, accustomed to the traditional autonomy of tribes 
and tribal groups, had remained largely unconcerned by how their 
central government was being run.  However, the new rulers  
interference with that autonomy and assault on their religious 
faith provoked massive and almost instantaneous armed 
resistance. Once popular resistance began in 1978, the Soviet-
backed regime found itself in an increasingly difficult 
situation.  

 Yet the Soviets did not have to invade.  Aside from adjusting 
the existing policy of military assistance, Moscow could have 
replaced the existing Communist regime with a pliable non-
Communist  leader,  and taken a much more gradual path to a 
Leninist agenda.   Thus, the resistance would have been deprived 
of its reason for being.  The decision to intervene with  
massive force was a matter of serious dispute within the Soviet 
leadership.[6]   The Afghan Communist regime, while facing 
problems, was not on the brink of being overthrown.  The 
resistance, while large scale and having an impact, was poorly 
armed and organized.   Soviet military intervention was 
initially seen in Moscow as a massive show of force that would 
intimidate the Afghan Mujahiddin, as the resistance came to be 
called. [7]  It was, in all likelihood, seen essentially as a 
shortcut to solving a messy problem with brute force.

 Early Soviet operations were patterned after the earlier 
invasion of Czechoslovakia and, therefore poorly adapted to the 
Afghan terrain and conditions.[8]  Had Soviet political 
assumptions proven correct, it may not have mattered much. As it 
was, the intrusion of foreign troops into Afghanistan provided 
the Afghans with what turned out to be the sole real unifier to 
the disparate groups of fighters.   Moscow realizing its mistake 
during its first year in Afghanistan, began to adjust its 
operations accordingly and settled in for a prolonged stay.  

 The Soviets focused on control of the cities and military 
installations.   There was never any attempt made at controlling 
the countryside south of the Hindu Kush mountain range. Faced 
with an unremittingly hostile population, Moscow never tried 
to  win over  the Afghans.  Massive aerial bombing was meant to 
instill terror.[9] The Soviet solution was what became known 
as  migratory genocide  to empty the water   that is to say 
chase the population out of the country, thereby removing the 
base of support for the Resistance.  And this they did on a 
grand scale.  Out of a pre-war population of 16 million, by 1985 
three and half million were refugees in Pakistan and Iran.  By 
1989 there was approximately that many refugees in Pakistan 
alone, with another one million or so in Iran. In 1981 Moscow 
was already conducting massive aerial bombardments in various 
areas of the country.  By 1982-1983 attention was also being 
given  to smaller operations, including the growing use of 
Soviet Special Forces (Spetsnaz), the penetration of Afghan 
Resistance groups, and the assassination of Resistance leaders. 

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski

Interestingly, the  migratory genocide  strategy was implemented 
only in the southern, mostly Pushtun part of Afghanistan.  In 
the north, down to the Hindu Kush mountain range, the Soviets 
followed a different, almost opposite approach.[10] Just as for 
the south there was systematic destruction and desolation, for 
the north the approach was to build up.  Instead of chasing the 
population, the attempt was to co-opt it.  The distinction 
between the two parts of the country was not new. It had already 
been made wistfully by Tsarist officials who were describing the 
Hindu Kush as the  natural  boundaries between the Russian and 
British Empires.  

Instead of promoting desolation as in the south, in the north 
the Soviets encouraged economic development including the 
building of dams for irrigation, and the construction of 
factories. Most of Afghanistan s natural resources also happen 
to be in the north.  The region is contiguous to the Soviet 
Union, is readily accessible, has flatter terrain, and is thus 
easier to pacify. Furthermore, a large portion of the people of 
northern Afghanistan are of the same ethnic background as the 
peoples of (then Soviet) Central Asia   Tadjiks, Uzbeks, and 
Turkmen.   Soviet officials and publications played on the 
ethnic pride of the inhabitants and encouraged the use of their 
native tongues - a practice discouraged until then within the 
Soviet Union.  The Soviets constantly harped on common 
traditions and practices as a way to ethnic unity on both sides 
of the northern border.  Delegations were exchanged especially 
in cultural matters between the two sides of the border. 

All of this was part of Moscow s policy toward the Indian sub-
continent. The Soviets, directly and through their Afghan 
Communist puppets, promoted and encouraged Afghan irredentist 
claims over the parts of Pakistan inhabited by Pushtuns.  In a 
September 1985 speech to a Jirga (assembly) of the Pushtun 
border tribes, Babrak Karmal, then the Afghan Communist leader, 
openly called for the reunification of the Pushtuns (from both 
sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border) under Afghan sovereignty. 
Aside from reviving an old divisive issue between the two 
countries, it was a call for the subversion of Pakistan.  
Increasing Soviet military pressures upon Pakistan   large 
numbers of cross-border artillery strikes and aircraft 
penetrations   helped to drive the point home.   The absorption 
of northern Afghanistan within the Soviet Union, together with 
the creation of a Pushtun state under Afghan Communist 
leadership (and incorporating Baluch areas of southwestern 
Pakistan), would have meant the end of Afghanistan as well as of 
Pakistan.  More importantly, it would also have yielded, for the 
first time, a direct Soviet land route to the Arabian Sea. [11]  

The key to Soviet strategy from the very beginning was to 
prevent outside assistance to the Resistance.   Moscow was 
confident, and correctly so, that the Mujahiddin would not be 
able to continue for long without external aid.  Again, things 
did not go quite as planned.  The reaction to the Soviet 
invasion boiled down only to a very modest, and covert, program 
of U.S. aid to the Resistance, enabling the Soviets to make some 
significant gains through 1982 and 1983.  By then, both the 
Afghan Mujahiddin and European humanitarian groups that were 
seeking to help them, had recognized that without more 
meaningful external assistance, the Afghans would indeed not be 
able to continue for much longer.   Both the Afghans and the 
European humanitarian organizations, recognizing that the key to 
such assistance lay in Washington, began to approach officials 
there on aid to the Resistance. Because existing assistance to 
the Afghans was under the guise of a  covert  program, there was 
little open discussion of the issue. U.S. Government discussions 
on the matter involved a small number of officials in the 
executive branch and those members of Congress and their staffs 
who had to act on requests for aid to the Resistance.  The 
author was part of that small number, and the remarks that 
follow about the U.S. reaction refer to essentially such 
internal arguments.   

Until 1984 aid to the Resistance was sufficient only to keep the 
Afghans fighting.  There was no thought of gearing aid toward a 
victory of the Resistance.  As was often the case with U.S. 
policy, the summary phrase could well have been, and for some 
was,  raising the costs to the Soviets.  A major shift in policy 
however culminated in a 1985 Presidential Directive that at 
least declared that the aim was to help the Afghans win.  When 
translated into substantive action, it came to mean more 
forceful U.S. assistance that ultimately included Stinger anti-
aircraft missiles.  The significance of the shipment of Stingers 
to Afghanistan was not solely that they allowed the Resistance 
to thwart the Soviet effort to depopulate the countryside, but 
above all it signified to both sides a major shift in the level 
of American commitment. 

The main impetus for this shift in policy stemmed from growing 
bipartisan Congressional pressure.  The other part of that 
impetus came from a very small number of officials within the 
executive branch, chiefly in the Pentagon. It should be noted 
that throughout the war the State Department and CIA continued 
to resist meaningful aid to the Resistance.   The eventual U.S. 
policy was the byproduct of this friction.

By late 1984, military assistance to the Afghan Resistance was 
becoming more serious, which meant that Soviet progress was at 
the very least slowing, increasing their frustrations.  To have 
their intervention in Afghanistan seen as a victory, Moscow 
needed to win conclusively.  To lose, it only needed to be 
confronted by the promise of a never-ending fight.  As such, 
1985 proved in this respect to be a turning point.  It was then 
that the Soviet leadership, under Gorbachev, came to the 
conclusion that it might not be able to win on the battlefield. 
What it could not obtain there, it would need to make a greater 
effort to obtain at the negotiating table. 

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski

At the 27th Party Congress in February 1985 Gorbachev launched a 
major peace initiative designed to convince the outside world of 
the Soviet Union s genuine desire for a settlement in 
Afghanistan.  It is then that he made his since famous reference 
to Afghanistan as  a bleeding wound  intimating a certain war 
weariness. In that same speech Gorbachev announced that the 
Soviet Union and Afghanistan had come to a bilateral agreement 
on a  phased withdrawal  of Soviet troops.  Such a withdrawal, 
Gorbachev indicated, was contingent upon a  political solution  
that would guarantee  the non-resumption of foreign armed 
interference. 

That phrase summed up for Moscow the root cause of the 
continuing conflict.  The purpose of negotiations had always 
been to resolve what the Soviets called  the situation 
surrounding Afghanistan,  which meant ending  armed 
intervention  from the outside.  Until the very end, the Soviets 
successfully insisted that their actions in Afghanistan were 
purely a bilateral issue with the Afghan Communist government, 
while what others were doing was a matter for international 
negotiation.

The core of Soviet strategy was to build up the Communist regime 
sufficiently for it to stand without Soviet ground troops, 
albeit with continued Soviet air, logistical, and other 
assistance.  Continued aid to the Afghan Resistance would 
prevent this goal from ever being attained.  Hence it became 
crucial for Moscow to determine the level and extent of the U.S. 
commitment to Afghanistan.   Was the U.S. serious when it spoke 
of genuine  self-determination  for the Afghans? Or did America 
merely intend to rid Afghanistan of Soviet troops?  If the 
latter was true, the combination of Soviet aid to Afghanistan s 
Communist regime and America s cessation of aid to the 
Resistance would ensure a Soviet victory.  By the end of 1985, 
Moscow had obtained from State Department negotiators an 
agreement that the United States would be willing to stop aid to 
the Afghan Resistance at the beginning of a Soviet troop 
withdrawal.  At the end of 1985 the Soviets were talking about a 
four year phased withdrawal. When it became known in Washington 
that U.S. officials had concluded the agreement with the Soviets 
behind the back of the President,[12] these officials argued 
that they had not accepted the four year time frame. This 
prevented the cutoff of American assistance, and dragged out 
negotiations another two years.  Nevertheless, Moscow now knew 
it could concentrate on building up the Communist Afghan 
infrastructure in preparation for an ultimate withdrawal.

Weeks prior to the signing of the 1988 Geneva accords, 
Congressional backers of the Afghan Resistance found out that 
the State Department had finally agreed to cutting off the anti-
Soviet side in the war without a similar pledge by Moscow.  An 
uproar led Washington to issue a  side letter  stating that it 
would engage in  positive symmetry,  meaning that that if the 
Soviets continued supplying their side, so would the U.S.    It 
is revealing that while the Soviets were unhappy about this last 
minute addition, it did nothing to unravel the agreement or the 
Soviet decision to withdraw. By February 1989 all Soviet forces 
were out of Afghanistan.

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski

          Interregnum: Vacuum Creation, 1989-1992

Because U.S., and for that matter Pakistani policy was 
about  raising the costs  of Soviet occupation, not really 
ending it, few were ready when it did come.  In addition, policy 
was based on mistaken assumptions growing out of ignorance. At 
the end of 1987  Western officials  were  quoted as saying that 
Soviet troop withdrawal would  almost inevitably mean the 
collapse  of the Kabul regime.[13]  Without Soviet troops,  one 
of these diplomats was quoted as saying, the Afghan 
government  could not last six months. [14]   Once Soviet troops 
had actually begun withdrawing, the forthcoming collapse of the 
Afghan regime became a matter of near certainty.   Jon Glassman, 
the charge d affaires at the U.S. embassy in Kabul, had 
described the Kabul regime in the last months of the Soviet 
withdrawal as  a house without girders,  and predicted that  it 
would fall within a matter of weeks, months at the most. [15]

 How strongly such mistaken beliefs influenced actual policy can 
be seen by the fact that the Afghan Resistance was pressed hard 
then to capitalize on what was seen as an easy situation. Barely 
ten days after the signing of the Geneva accords a New York 
Times headline proclaimed  Pakistan officials tell of ordering 
Afghan rebel push.  And in slightly smaller print:  U.S. Aide in 
on Decision.  

No amount of evidence including the buildup of the Communist 
infrastructure, with particular emphasis on the KHAD, or Afghan 
equivalent of the KGB could convince these officials to the 
contrary.  There was, furthermore, no evidence on the ground of 
any panic, mass defections, or any other signs of possible 
apprehension in Kabul about the forthcoming situation.   Moscow 
had clearly and explicitly committed itself to continued support 
of the Afghan regime even after a Soviet troop withdrawal.  It 
stayed true to its word and continued to provide Soviet air and 
other military and economic support.  Whenever there was even a 
hint of a possible Mujahiddin success in taking a town, Soviet 
air support was forthcoming.

 The Soviets were confident that the Resistance could either 
agree to Communist demands for a cease-fire and thereby admit 
failure; or launch attacks and fail.  That confidence was amply 
justified.   The Afghan Resistance, never united to begin with, 
was becoming more fragmented now that the sole unifier of a 
foreign troop presence was gone.  Attacks on Afghan towns by 
other Afghans, especially when they failed, could only generate 
the antagonism of the Afghan population.  The Afghan Resistance 
had never been trained or prepared to undertake coordinated 
operations that could lead to victory.  It was not ready 
politically, and there was therefore no existing alternative to 
the Communist regime.  The Soviet strategy proved to be sounder 
than the Soviet Union itself because the communist regime in 
Kabul survived the one in Moscow   though not for long.

 In 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed creating a major 
vacuum in the region, Pakistan got the opportunity to do what 
the Soviet Union attempted through the 1970s and 1980s. 
Islamabad understood that something along the lines of 
traditional colonialism would not be acceptable internationally, 
and simply not feasible in the Afghan context. Hence, like 
Moscow, it pursued an indirect approach.  The Pakistani 
leadership decided that it needed to produce an Afghan  leader  
and/or regime that would remain constantly dependent upon 
Islamabad to maintain power.  That in turn meant that such a 
leader could not have or develop a significant popularity or 
genuine political base. 

 Afghanistan, as already indicated, is not a nation but a 
multiethnic-state.  Its existing ethnic groupings had coexisted, 
but the Pushtun majority never allowed any of the minorities to 
dominate.  The sole aberration, in 1929 when a Tadjik briefly 
seized power, did not even last a year.  Soviet policy during 
the war exacerbated tribal and ethnic antagonisms and 
divisions.  Just as Moscow favored the northern Central Asian 
ethnic groupings because of their affinities to Soviet Central 
Asians, Pakistan has relied from the beginning on Pushtuns.  But 
to divide and rule has also entailed making sure that even the 
Pushtuns could never be strong enough to act together.  

 Even before the Soviet invasion, Islamabad had selected as one 
of its main agents Hekmatyar Gulbuddin, an extremist  Pushtun 
leader with little popular base.  During and after the Soviet-
Afghan war, Gulbuddin was more frequently engaged in fighting 
other Afghan Resistance groups than the Soviets or, after 1989, 
the Communist Afghans.  During the war, the Pakistani ISI (Inter 
Services Intelligence, which has in effect been in more or less 
independent charge of Afghan policy) made sure to channel most 
of the foreign assistance through Gulbuddin.  It thereby 
strengthened him, while minimizing the development of any 
genuine Afghan leadership.  The same reasoning was also 
responsible for Pakistan s reluctance to countenance any 
meaningful organization of the Resistance.   When, in part 
because of growing American interest, certain steps were finally 
taken, the Pakistanis made sure to keep things as divided, weak, 
and disorganized as possible.   Thus, several political parties 
and leadership groups were allowed to come into being. Islamabad 
actively fostered suspicions and competition for its attention 
and favors among these groups. Pakistani antagonism for the most 
effective Resistance leader, Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, was 
not due solely to his being a Tadjik.  Any effective commander 
with a popular following was a threat to Islamabad.

 The ISI also relied on its old favorite to penetrate the Kabul 
regime in order to collapse it from within.  In March 1990, 
General Shah Nawaz Tanai, also a Pushtun and defense minister in 
the Kabul regime, joined with Gulbuddin in a coup against the 
Communist regime.  The coup failed, but revealed the growing 
tensions within the Communist ruling group.[16] Aware of the 
growing internal weakness of his own regime, the Communist 
leader, Najibullah, became more serious in UN sponsored 
negotiations toward the establishment of a broad-based 
government.   As these negotiations proceeded, officers from the 
ruling party begin to transfer weapons to Resistance commanders 
and to make their own deals. With the failed Moscow coup of 
August 1991, followed by the cessation of Soviet assistance to 
the Kabul regime, and the actual collapse of the Soviet Union in 
December of that year, the fate of the regime was sealed.   

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski
 When the Kabul regime collapsed in April 1992, it was not the 
Pushtun forces from the south that took control of the capital, 
but an unlikely assortment of minority ethnic groupings from the 
north. This Northern Alliance as it came to be called was made 
up of three significant minorities in Afganistan: the Tadjiks, 
Uzbeks, and Hazaras (the latter being not Sunni as the majority 
of Afghans, but Shiite).  The defection of the Uzbek General 
Abdul Rashid Dostum from the regime s northern forces played an 
important role in its collapse.  It was his joining with the 
Tadjik Commander  Massoud that enabled their joint forces to 
enter and take control of Kabul even as Najibullah had announced 
his intention of resigning in favor of a neutral interim 
government.[17]   If, as has been argued, their intention was to 
prevent  the predominantly Sunni and Pushtun-dominated Peshawar 
(Pakistan)-based parties from taking over power,  their hope was 
to be disappointed. [18]   

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski

          Building a Northward Thrust, 1992-1999

Clearly the Northern Alliance was now in a stronger position vis-
 -vis the Pakistani government.  For Pakistan the situation just 
as clearly represented a setback.  Islamabad s reaction was to 
follow a double track of negotiate and fight.  Officially 
Pakistan stuck to the proverbial  high road,  participating in 
negotiations encouraging the formation of a broad-based interim 
government for Afghanistan. Islamabad had to acknowledge the 
Northern Alliance s control of Kabul by conceding the position 
of president to Burhannudin Rabbani, head of the Tadjik-
dominated, Pakistani-based Jamiaat Party. Since this, or any 
other arrangement not giving Pakistan the control it sought was 
unsatisfactory, the  fight  component was meant both to improve 
the negotiating outcome and to produce the desired result more 
definitively.  

 The Rabbani government never represented more than a fragment 
of the Afghan political spectrum, and never actually controlled 
much of Afghanistan.  After 1996 it did not even control Kabul 
or much of the north.   The April 1992 Peshawar Agreements 
setting it up had tried to placate Islamabad by reserving the 
prime ministership for Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.    It did not work 
because Gulbuddin was asking for the removal of Massoud as 
defense minister and the subordination of Rabbani to himself.
[19]  When that failed to work, he launched attacks against 
Kabul. The other parties of the Northern Alliance, including 
General Dostum who had played a major role in the fall of the 
Communist regime and in the capture of Kabul, were also left out 
of major positions in the interim agreement.  The end result was 
that by the beginning of 1994 Dostum had allied himself to 
Gulbuddin, and together they launched another major attack on 
the capital, which ultimately failed. From Islamabad s 
standpoint, the negotiate-while-fight-via-proxy approach was not 
working. Thus in 1993 Pakistan began to seek an alternative to 
Gulbuddin. 

  The fundamentalist Taliban came to public attention as major 
players in October, 1994.  From its inception as a motley 
grouping, the Talibans, or  students,  seemed to come 
principally from fundamentalist Muslim schools of one the major 
Pakistani fundamentalist parties, the Jamiat-i-Ulema-i-Islami 
(JUI). Its beginning can be traced to 1980, when a series of 
such schools (madrassas) were set up  in the Kunar Valley in 
order to create a belt of deeply religious groups close to the 
Afghan-Pakistani border. [20]  These were meant to help resist 
further Communist advances and help the Mujahiddin against the 
Soviets.[21]  Until 1994, however, they had remained 
inconsequential.

 The Taliban appeared as a military and political force first in 
the western province of Kandahar, then in the south, southwest 
and east.  Much of their rapid initial progress occurred with 
little or no fighting; with local commanders either joining or 
yielding to advancing Taliban bands.  It would seem that the 
Pakistani ISI had had a good deal to do with that relatively 
effortless advance by persuading the various commanders to shift 
sides.[22]   

Islamabad s technique, noted earlier, had been to rely on Afghan 
fundamentalists. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was also connected to the 
Pakistani JUI fundamentalist party closely associated with 
Pakistani governments since the rule of President Zia.  The post-
1994 policy relied on a fundamentalist Afghan party, itself 
closely connected to a rival Pakistani JUI fundamentalist 
party.  The latter aligned itself in 1993 with the Pakistan 
People s Party (PPP) of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.  The PPP 
had recently emerged the winner in elections and had returned 
Benazir Bhutto to the prime ministership.  The JUI, marginalized 
until then, finally gained access to the ISI and the military 
and government generally.  The transition from the earlier 
support for Gulbuddin to an even stronger commitment to the 
Taliban was not instantaneous. It appears that the Taliban s 
cause was first taken on by General Nasirulah Babar, the 
interior minister, and only later in 1995 by the ISI.[23] 

 The capture of an important arms depot outside the town of Spin 
Boldak early in the Taliban s advance provides an excellent, if 
ironic, illustration of Islamabad s policy shift.  The depot had 
belonged to Gulbuddin and was guarded by troops from Pakistan s 
Frontier Corps, under the control of the Interior Ministry, and 
therefore of the Taliban s earliest apparent advocate within the 
government.  The guards were simply instructed to walk away, 
leaving the Taliban in control.[24]

The Afghan Vortex
By Elie Krakowski

 The Taliban were just as, if not more fundamentalist than 
Gulbuddin.  They also had the promise of a certain popularity 
that did not seem threatening.  Led by  barely literate 
mullahs, [25] they had a simplistic view of Islam focused almost 
exclusively on the Koran and on  a very narrow concept [26] of 
Sharia (Islamic Law).  They never developed a program of any 
sort beyond the vague objective of implementing Islamic law and 
creating a religious (in their conception) Islamic society.  The 
Taliban s appeal to things spiritual, its claim not to 
monopolistic tribal power but to Afghan unity, resonated 
powerfully in the Afghanistan of 1994. Yet because those 
strengths were not accompanied by solid military or political 
capabilities, the Pakistani leadership was confident that the 
Taliban would remain dependent on Pakistan. The existence of 
many different groupings, many with traditions of enmity, no 
doubt translated into yet another lever for Islamabad.  The 
Taliban included not only different Pushtun tribal groupings, 
but a significant number of former Communists.  One 1997 report 
stated that  most of the Taliban commanders leading offensives 
for the past two years have false names, [27] that gave former 
Communists identities more in keeping with their new persona as 
fundamentalist leaders.  Some, like General Mohammed Gilani, a 
Khalqi who had just been named the Taliban s head of anti-
aircraft defense, had been in the Afghan Communist army until 
1992.[28] As one well-informed observer wrote:  By the time the 
Taliban captured Kabul, their entire air force and a large 
section of their armour and heavy artillery were being manned by 
former Khalqis. [29]

 In addition, Pakistan helped the Taliban with fighting 
men:   Between 1994 and 1999 an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 
Pakistanis trained and fought in Afghanistan. [30] Nevertheless, 
it was not until September 1996 that the Taliban were able to 
seize the capital.  Once they went beyond Pushtun territory, 
their progress slowed down.  A split within General Dostum s 
camp, combined with Pakistani subversion, facilitated the 
initial capture of the northern key city of Mazar-e-Sharif in 
1997.  However, Northern Alliance forces quickly retook the 
city. Still, the Taliban s progress toward militarily subduing 
all of Afghanistan continued through 1998 and into 1999.  By the 
end of the latter year, however, the Talibans had lost ground. 
What had looked like an irresistible march in 1997 was beginning 
to look like the return of stalemate.

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End of the Northward Thrust and the Return of Stalemate 
 The Taliban is on the decline .[it] is kind of falling from its 
own weight,  said Richard Murphy, a former assistant secretary 
of state in charge of the region.[31]  Or, as another observer 
put it,  the Taliban  has passed its high water mark.  It is now 
disintegrating, echoing the rapid rise and fall of similar 
religious movements in Afghan history. [32] A more accurate 
assessment would be that a stalemate within Afghanistan is 
coinciding with a wider, regional stalemate. Rather than abandon 
the Taliban in favor of another alternative, Pakistan is likely 
to react to its unmitigated failure by following the failed 
Soviet example and increasing its direct involvement.  This 
would similarly provoke an explosion of open Afghan resistance.  
And since Talibani   and Pakistani   actions have already 
generated destabilizing trends in the region, such an implosion 
could have major consequences on the wider international system.

 In order to see why this may be so, it is necessary to examine 
the reasons for the Taliban s (i.e. for Pakistan s) inability to 
follow its initial successes to victory, thereby also exploring 
the nature of the internal and regional stalemates.

 The Nascent Internal Afghan Stalemate 

The Taliban s main claim to allegiance was its emphasis on 
Afghanistan as a whole, as well as on Islamic spiritualism.  Its 
promise was, above all, to bring peace and better economic 
conditions.  Under the abysmal conditions of 1994, few looked 
carefully beyond the shallowness of that promise. What mattered 
was the fact of an alternative.  In giving the Taliban the 
positive reception they did, the Afghan Pushtuns were 
not  voting for  the Taliban.  They were  casting their ballots  
against the existing order.  An apt analogy here would be to the 
earlier voting in Algeria, stopped by the government when it 
realized that the fundamentalists were winning.  Whatever else 
was involved in that situation, it is certain that the vote was 
essentially meaningless as anything but a protest against the 
corruption of the existing government. Deprived of any other 
means of expressing their frustrations, people expressed 
themselves through the only means available.

 There was another fundamental weakness: the Taliban s exclusive 
reliance on the Pushtuns.  Thus, Islamabad was repeating Soviet 
mistakes in reverse geographical direction.  A policy of such 
necessity spelled either protracted conflict or a division of 
the country into two distinct new entities. Neither would allow 
Pakistan to achieve its cherished objective of opening a new 
major trade route into Central Asia.  It is possible that 
Islamabad might think of dividing the country and thus gain some 
strategic depth.   Such an option would be another mirroring, 
again in reverse geographic direction, of another earlier and 
more systematic Soviet design.[33]

 Were that to be the objective, it too would be unreachable.    
First, the Afghans themselves   both north and south   would be 
unlikely to accept such a solution.   Despite years of war and 
divisive techniques used by all comers, one of the surprising 
factors in Afghanistan is that all groups continue to think of 
themselves as Afghans.  Many object strenuously even to mention 
of the possibility of a divided Afghanistan.[34]  Second, it is 
doubtful that the neighboring states would accede to such an 
extension of Pakistani influence.  Third, because the Taliban 
continue to control a large portion of the north, there is a far 
greater incentive for continued military pressure to gain the 
rest than there is for compromise and withdrawal.

 Fourth, The Taliban has proven incapable of managing the 
territory under its control.  Instead of genuine spiritual 
concerns, Afghans have been confronted by a brutal, highly 
simplistic notion of Islam. Some Pakistani observers, preferring 
to cite Western sources on this sensitive subject, have 
tellingly quoted descriptions of Taliban controlled areas as 
a   terrifying picture of puritanism at a brutalizing extreme.  
A place governed by illiterate teenage boys.  And again, giving 
the opinion of an  elderly scholar  in the western city of 
Herat,  we are ruled by men who offer us nothing but the Quran, 
even though many of them cannot read. [35]  The Taliban, to the 
extent they are known in the Western world, have become 
associated with the repression of women for their ban on most 
women working outside the home or girls attending school.  They 
have issued fatwahs (religious edicts) covering the most minute 
aspects of collective and individual life.  These have 
apparently gone to the extremes of forbidding women from wearing 
white socks or bans on kite flying,[36] not to speak of the bans 
on television or the taking of pictures.  These edicts have been 
enforced with beatings, and in the case of capital crimes with 
instant public executions.  These and other excesses have taken 
their toll.  Not only has finding soldiers become more difficult 
for the Taliban, but its fighters have actually been leaving its 
ranks and returning to their tribal areas.[37] However, there is 
no real alternative. Pakistan, past master in the art of  divide 
and rule,  has contributed to that.  Hence, as far as the 
internal situation is concerned, the likelihood is of a 
continued stalemate.  One observer has actually written 
that  Islamabad works toward maintaining the state of war to 
weaken its Afghan ally. [38]

  And its Regional Consequences

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In some ways, one could say that Afghanistan has functioned for 
Pakistan as Lebanon has for Syria (and to some extent for 
Iran).  Lebanon, which, for all intents and purposes is a Syrian 
dependency, has served to deflect direct blame and military 
retaliation against Syria for what are Syrian, and/or Iranian 
sponsored or tolerated terrorist actions.  The rationale there 
has been that the groups operating from Lebanese territory are 
independent groups that neither Syria nor Iran control, and that 
therefore there is not much these states can do to stop them.  
While Syria admits to sympathy for the goals of these groups, it 
denies actively supporting or directing them.  And, as everyone 
knows, the Lebanese government is powerless to control these 
terrorist groups.  The presence of terrorist training camps in 
Afghanistan, the basing of terrorist groups active in many parts 
of the world, are by now well-known facts, as is the active 
support of the Taliban for them.[39]

 Examples of this type abound. Tahir Yuldashev, the leader of 
the radical Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, who is wanted in 
Uzbekistan for complicity in the attempted assassination of that 
country s president, was given refuge in Afghanistan.  The 
Taliban has refused demands of extradition for him by Uzbekistan 
as they have for Osama Bin Ladin from the United States.  But 
the Taliban has also allowed him to run a  military training 
camp  near the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif and 
several miles from the Uzbek border.[40]  In this camp are 
trained  militants  from Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan, Kirghiztan, 
and separatist Uigurs from the Chinese province of Xinjiang.  
The Chinese have claimed that weapons seized from Uigurs have 
come from Afghanistan.   There are also close links between  the 
Taliban and Abd el Rahman Khattab and Chamil Bassaiev, leaders 
of the insurrection against Russia in Daghestan in 1999.  Uigurs 
have been involved in Yuldashev s and Bin Ladin  operations.
[41]   Among the major users of this Afghan sanctuary have been 
the groups participating in the fight against India in what 
Pakistan sees as occupied Kashmir.

 As is Syria in the Lebanese case, both the Taliban and Pakistan 
have denied any connection with these groups  activities.  They 
have repeatedly proclaimed their opposition to terrorism.  A 
recent headline in a Pakistani paper summed this up 
well:  Kabul, Islamabad reaffirm opposition to terrorism: 
Taliban stick to stand on Bin Laden. [42] Mullah Mohammad 
Rabbani,  Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Afghanistan,  
in a press conference following a meeting in Islamabad with 
General Parvez Musharraf, the Pakistani leader, acknowledged 
that the Bin Ladin issue had come up.  Yes, the matter was 
raised,  he said.  But Afghanistan is a free Islamic State and 
Osama is our guest.   He also added  that Afghanistan had 
declared terrorism illegal and against human rights,  and that 
it  would not be permitted in his country.   Answering a 
question on the growing international pressure being applied to 
Pakistan on the issue of terrorism and Bin Ladin, the Taliban 
official replied that Pakistan had asked that Afghanistan 
resolve the issue.  But,  he said,  Afghanistan is an 
independent state, and we take our decisions ourselves. [43]

 What seems clear is that this situation has allowed Pakistan   
so far at least   to actively support these groups and their 
activities while using the  plausible deniability  technique 
whenever one of the consequences of these terrorist acts becomes 
uncomfortable.  Even if it were true that Pakistan lacks minute 
control on either the Taliban or the groups engaged in terrorist 
activities, that is largely irrelevant.  Pakistan has created 
the overall conditions for the existence and perpetuation of 
this form of terrorism.  Day to day control is not a necessity, 
and the ability to put some distance between oneself and the 
actual perpetrators provides useful cutouts and a certain degree 
of plausibility to denials of complicity.

 Pakistan has nowhere near any of the capabilities of the Soviet 
Union when it launched its doomed southward thrust through 
Afghanistan. Not only is its power much smaller, but Pakistan, 
unlike the Soviet Union does not have a core state with long and 
solid traditions extending for centuries.   Created just over 
fifty years ago out of disparate ethnic and tribal groupings, it 
has continued to face active sectarian tension and violence.  
That violence, including killings between Sunnis and Shiites, 
has increased in recent years. The military coup that overthrew 
its government in 1999, was in response to popular disaffection 
with the inefficiency of the government, its corruption, and the 
lamentable state of the economy. Yet it too undertook its own 
thrust into Afghanistan.  Could the stalemate in Afghanistan be 
but a prelude to the collapse of Pakistan? 

 In some ways Pakistan finds itself with a more serious 
situation than the Soviet Union did at a similar point. In 
undertaking its northward thrust, and in choosing the  Taliban 
Option  when the earlier approach was failing, Islamabad 
embarked upon a no less dangerous path.  The switch from the 
relatively small operation of the Islamic fundamentalist 
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to the much bigger operation of the even 
more radical Taliban was more than just one of scale. By 
launching a very active intervention in Afghan affairs by 
Pakistani fundamentalist parties, that policy choice provided a 
major opening for a spread of fundamentalism back into 
Pakistan.   

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 Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto even referred to the 
trends set in motion as the  Talibanisation  of Pakistan.[44]  
In making that characterization, Bhutto was also accusing then 
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of abetting the process and 
encouraging the lawlessness of Pakistani fundamentalist groups, 
that were already being heavily influenced by Taliban ideas and 
practices.   There is little doubt that the charge against 
Sharif had merit.  Sharif had introduced measures to make 
Islamic law the law of the land and in a November 1998, speech 
he openly called for the  introduction of instant Taliban-style 
justice in the country.   Sharif had said that  today in 
Afghanistan crimes have virtually come to nought . I want this 
kind of justice system in Pakistan. [45]  From all available 
evidence, Sharif did not need to provide much encouragement.  
There was a growing number of instances of such summary justice 
by local mullahs taking the law into their own hands.  These 
have involved mobs destroying video stores, storming police 
stations on the local mullahs  urging, threatening to  break the 
legs  of Afghan and Pakistani women if they marched in Peshawar 
to protest the treatment of women in Afghanistan.  They have 
also included summary capital punishment by  Islamic courts  
made up of tribesmen who refused to go through the established 
legal system.[46]

 By the end of 1998 Pakistani fundamentalist  neo-Taliban  
groups had spread throughout the Northwest Frontier Province and 
Baluchistan.  By July 1999 they were already extending their 
presence in the provinces of Punjab and Sind, as was evidenced 
by the participation of some six to eight thousand Pakistanis 
from these two provinces in the Taliban summer offensive.[47] 
Pakistani fundamentalists have also borrowed techniques used by 
Muslim radicals in other Muslim countries. Taking advantage of 
the sometimes abysmal failure of the state to provide adequate 
basic services, these fundamentalist groups have stepped into 
the breach and offered such things as free education and health 
care. In Pakistan as elsewhere, these techniques have often 
proved successful in generating significant popular backing for 
these radical movements.  The JUI and other fundamentalist 
parties have become the chief recruiters for the thousands of 
Pakistanis sent to fight alongside the Taliban.

 The talk of Afghanistan as a base for terrorists to some extent 
hides the fact that while the base is Afghan, key players are 
often from Pakistani extremist parties.  Yet, even in 
Pakistan,  Muslim militancy  is  increasingly 
internationalized. [48]  One account cites one of these 
Pakistani extremist groups  (the Lashkar-e-Taiba s) claim 
that  300 of its  martyrs  have been killed fighting alongside 
local Islamic forces in Afghanistan, Tadjikistan, Bosnia, 
Chechnya, Lebanon, and half a dozen places it wasn t willing to 
name. [49]  The list of course also included Kashmir.

 Just as interesting in light of Pakistan s protestations of 
innocence concerning terrorism, is the December 1999 hijacking 
of an Indian airliner by terrorists fighting the Indian presence 
in Kashmir.  Islamabad indignantly denied initial accusations by 
India that Pakistan was behind the hijacking.  Yet evidence has 
mounted that, as an official U.S. statement declared,  a 
terrorist group supported by the Pakistani military was 
responsible for the hijacking. [50]  

The group in question, Harakat ul-Mujahedeen, had changed its 
name from Harakat ul-Ansar after having been placed on the U.S. 
State Department s list of terrorist organizations. The Taliban, 
who portrayed themselves as innocent bystanders in the 
hijacking, in fact have close ties to the hijackers.  In July 
1999 that group, during a press conference in Lahore, Pakistan 
was openly claiming that their fighters were deployed on several 
fronts in Afghanistan  under the direct orders of Mullah Omar,  
the head of the Taliban.[51]  The openness of these groups, 
their ability to act freely and widely, attests to their 
influence and to the at least tacit support of the Pakistani 
power structure. 

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 The spread of Islamic fundamentalism has increasingly come to 
include the Pakistani army. Many of the junior officers in the 
army are now said to come from madrassas rather than from elite 
colleges.  Some 30 percent of the army s officer corps are said 
to be  militantly Islamic and sympathetic to calls by religious 
parties for an Islamic revolution in the country. [52] Musharraf 
himself, soon after having been named army chief of staff in 
October 1998,  promoted to key positions several officers with 
close links to fundamentalist parties. [53]  Given the above, it 
is perhaps not too surprising that General Musharraf rebuffed 
U.S. officials who had asked him during a January 2000 meeting 
to ban the Harakat ul-Mujahedeen.[54]  And neither is the 
conclusion of an  Asian ambassador from a Muslim country  with 
regard to Pakistan:  there is an explosion here waiting to 
happen . In Indonesia or Turkey you have the army and the middle 
class who still uphold secular values, but here the army will 
not resist an Islamic movement and no party is willing to stand 
up against fundamentalism. [55]

 The  Taliban Option,  coming as it did partly as a result of 
shifts in Pakistani politics, themselves intertwined within an 
ascending spiral of corruption and governmental inefficiency, 
meant falling into an endless series of concessions to extremist 
parties. After a certain point it probably becomes difficult 
even for the policymakers to know whether a particular decision 
is a conscious policy act or merely another mollification.   The 
consequences of Islamabad s policy for Pakistan already are 
serious, and fraught with major risks just ahead. 

Internationally the situation is not better.  Afghanistan is 
completely isolated. Recognized by only three countries 
(Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates), it has 
managed to alienate an assortment of countries not necessarily 
found on the same side of issues.  The United Nations in 1999 
imposed sanctions on the country because of its stand on 
terrorism, thus further isolating it. Its position as the 
largest producer of heroin in the world, with Taliban controlled 
territory contributing 90 percent of that, has not enhanced its 
status.[56]  The Taliban s recognition of the Chechens in 1999 
has not enhanced its reputation with the Russians or the 
Indians. Neither did the foray into Kyrghiztan from Afghan 
territory by an Uzbek Islamic leader in August 1999.  With Iran 
tensions remain also   notwithstanding periodic mentions of 
negotiations and improving relations.  The killing of Iranian 
diplomats by the Taliban when it seized the northern Afghan city 
of Mazar-e- Sharif in August 1998 had brought the two countries 
to the brink of war.  While Tehran is well aware that it cannot 
afford to become involved in an Afghan conflict, its minimal 
objective of blocking Pakistan remains one it can pursue at 
relatively little cost.     The greatest source of pressure and 
danger for Pakistan remains India.  Islamabad s ill conceived 
Kashmir adventure last summer, by provoking an armed 
confrontation with India, once again raised tensions that had 
only recently abated.  The hijacking of the Indian airliner have 
brought these tensions to a new high.  The refusal of the 
Pakistani government to outlaw the Pakistani extremist group 
linked to it only adds to the recklessness of recent Pakistani 
actions.

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          Conclusion

2000 and Beyond: Chaos or Breaking Out of the Mold?

Pakistan s strategy has depended on walking an impossible 
tightrope. On the one hand it needs a peaceful Afghanistan for 
the construction of pipelines into Pakistan for its desired 
trade, and for commercial routes to Central Asia.  On the other 
hand, its neurotic fear of any Afghan independence has led to it 
actually encouraging something akin to  controlled chaos.   
Along with other surrounding states, it is unfortunate that the 
only major point these states have seemed to agree on has been 
the perpetuation of conflict.  

 The continuation of the Afghan conflict is not desirable for 
any of these entities. Pakistan and the Central Asian states 
suffer the most.  The latter because they can ill afford further 
sources of destabilization while fending off continuing Russian 
attempts at re-absorption.  Pakistan, because it cannot win 
militarily in Afghanistan, and because if it escalated Soviet-
style it would not only lose, but quite possibly disintegrate in 
the process.  It is likely that even without such a massive 
escalation, the very inconclusive prolongation of the war would 
continue to tear at the already frayed fabric of Pakistani 
society and precipitate a similar fate. Yet as was pointed out 
earlier, Pakistan has not shown any signs that it recognizes its 
quandary.  On the contrary, whatever evidence there is points 
the other way, to a further increase in its Afghan commitment.

 Yet all of the above notwithstanding, and perhaps because of 
the negative overall state of affairs, the moment presents a 
unique opportunity to escape pre-set patterns and move toward a 
long term stabilization of the situation in and around 
Afghanistan.   Clearly Pakistan is the key to a resolution. But 
no solution can be arrived at without the active participation 
of the other interested states.  

 The double stalemate of the Afghan conundrum   within and 
around Afghanistan   makes it impossible for any state or 
combination of states to impose its will on the others.  The 
stalemate, far from being a hindrance to a settlement, is an 
important element making one possible.  The central stumbling 
block to a solution is the unwillingness of the states involved 
to recognize the situation confronting them.  It is for this 
reason that external intervention is crucial. 

 Only the United States has this capability.  It, too, cannot 
unilaterally bring about a conclusion.  It can, however, act as 
a lever.  For that, however, Washington must first recognize the 
nature of the situation and come to grips with the fact that any 
undertaking will require a certain constancy of attention.  
American power and influence in this region remains enormous.  
The very fact that terrorist groups change their names when put 
on a State Department list, and that India should bother to 
request that Pakistan be put on such a list, testifies to the 
impact of even relatively small measures.

 It will be important to keep in mind that, unlike in past 
negotiations, the Afghans should not be ignored, but should be 
central players in determining their fate. A solution must 
include the long delayed genuine self-determination for the 
Afghans, by the Afghans.  An Afghan government that has the 
support of the people, that has genuine legitimacy, need not be 
a threat to Pakistan or to anyone else.  

 An ultimate resolution of the conflict will need to take into 
account the rightful interests of surrounding states.  It will 
be based on the recognition that while none of the states can 
have all that it wants, all of the states, through compromise, 
can define a common basis for understanding, and common rules of 
the game.  These rules of the game in turn will allow a 
realization that each state involved stands to gain if it is 
willing to accept less than everything; if it is willing to 
share instead of to exclude. In the final analysis, something is 
better than nothing.



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References:

[1]  Jason Goodwin,  The Playing Fields of Asia,  book review of 
Tournament of Shadows: The Great Game and the Race for Empire in 
Central Asia, by Karl Meyer and Shareen Blair Brysac  
(Washington: Cornelia and Michael Bessie/Counterpoint, 1999) in 
The New York Times Book Review, January 9, 2000.

[2] Stephen J. Blank, Why Russian Policy is Failing in Asia 
(Carlisle, PA: Strategic Studies Institute, US Army War College, 
1997).  The author writes about the Yeltsin administration s 
chaotic policies and speaks of the  de-insitutionalization  of 
the state.  He discusses various  structural weaknesses  of the 
state and writes that  these weaknesses not only undermine the 
center s ability to govern, formulate, and implement policy, 
they also erode the foundations of control over regional 
governments (pp.1-2).

[3] Of the various interested entities, China continues to 
remain more on the sidelines, giving its preferential 
relationship with Pakistan continued priority over the 
Afghanistan issue.  

[4] For an excellent discussion of this American failure to pay 
attention, see Leon Poullada,  The Road to Crisis, 1919-1980,  
in Rosanne Klass, ed., Afghanistan: The Great Game Revisited 
(New York: Freedom House, 1987), pp. 37-70.

[5] Ibid., p. 42.

[6] Army General Ivan Pavlovsky  (as reported in Literaturnaya 
Gazeta, September 20, 1989) who had gone on an assessment tour 
of Afghanistan in August 1979, is cited as having said there 
was  no need to send troops to Afghanistan.  As cited in Elie D. 
Krakowski,  Red Star Over Afghanistan,  Global Affairs, vol.5 
no.2 (Spring 1990), p.113.  General Pavlovsky s assessment is 
also cited in Cynthia Roberts,  Glasnost in Soviet Foreign 
Policy: Setting the Record Straight?  Radio Liberty, Report on 
the USSR, vol. I, no. 50, December 15, 1989.   Much of the 
discussion on the Soviet-Afghan war here is drawn from the 
author s  Red Star Over Afghanistan. 

[7]  The initial troop strength of 85,000 was ultimately raised 
to some 120,000.

[8] See on this Anthony H. Cordesman and Abraham R. Wagner, The 
Lessons of Modern War, Volume III: The Afghan and Falklands 
Conflicts (Boulder, CO: Westview Press, 1990), p. 26. See also 
General (Ret.) Mohammad Yahya Nawroz, Army of Afghanistan, and 
LTC (Ret.) Lester W. Grau, U.S. Army,  The Soviet War in 
Afghanistan: History and Harbinger of Future War?  (Fort 
Leavenworth, Kansas: U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office, 
1996).

[9] As Bernard Malhuret (of the French Medecins Sans Frontieres) 
observed in a Foreign Affairs article  Report from Afghanistan,  
(Winter 1983/84)  the Soviets were no doubt aware that a 
guerrilla is to the population as a fish is to water (Mao Tse 
Tung s expression).

[10] Not that there were no brutal acts of war, but the 
techniques used systematically in the south were employed here 
mostly only in retaliation for Resistance attacks.

[11] For a more detailed discussion of these arguments, see Elie 
D. Krakowski,  Afghanistan: The Strategy of Dismemberment,  The 
National Interest, Number 7 (Spring 1987), and the fuller 
treatment of that subject in the author s  Afghanistan and 
Soviet Global Interests,  in Klass ed., The Great Game 
Revisited, pp.161-186. 

 

[12] Elie D. Krakowski,  US Policy on Afghanistan,  in Richard 
H. Shultz, Jr., Uri Ra anan, Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr., William 
Olson, Igor Lukes, eds., Guerrilla Warfare & Counterinsurgency: 
US-Soviet Policy in the Third World, (Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath 
and Company, 1989).

 

[13] The New York Times, November 29, 1987.

[14] Ibid.

[15] John F. Burns,  Afghans: Now They Blame America,  The New 
York Times Magazine, February 4, 1990.

 

[16] Samina Ahmad,  The Crisis of State Legitimacy,  in Lt.Gen. 
(Ret.) Nishat Ahmad, ed.,  Afghanistan: Past, Present, & Future 
(Islamabad, Pakistan: Institute of Regional Studies, 1997) pp. 
11-75.

[17] Ibid., p.54.

[18] Ibid., p.55.

[19] Amin Saikal,  The Rabbani Government, 1992-1996,  in 
William Maley, ed., Fundamentalism Reborn? Afghanistan and the 
Taliban (New York: New York University Press, 1998), p.33. On 
the rift between Massoud and Gulbuddin, see Peter Marsden, The 
Taliban: War, Religion and the New Order in Afghanistan 
(Karachi, Pakistan: Oxford University Press, 1998), p.40.

[20] Former Pakistani Army Chief of  Staff General Mirza Aslam 
Beg, as cited by Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Kamal Matinudddin ,  The 
Taliban Phenomenon in Afghanistan: Genesis, Prospects, and 
Impact on the Region,  in K.M. Asaf and Abul Barakat, eds. 
Central Asia: Internal and External Dynamics (Islamabad, 
Pakistan: Institute of Regional Studies, 1997), p.82.

[21] On the early appearances of small groups of fighters 
already under the name of Taliban, and on already existing 
Pakistani awareness and training of these and other Mujahedeen, 
see Anthony Davis,  How the Taliban became a Military Force,  in 
Maley, Fundamentalism Reborn, p.45.

 

[22] Stephanie Allix,  Instabilite persistente en Asie Centrale: 
De la resistance a la prise de Kaboul, l histoire secrete des 
talibans,  Le Monde Diplomatique, January 1997, pp.4-5. 

[23] Ahmed Rashid,  Pakistan and the Taliban,  in Maley, 
Fundamentalism Reborn, p.85.

[24] Ibid.

[25] Ahmed Rashid,  The Taliban: Exporting Extremism,  Foreign 
Affairs, (November /December 1999) p.22.

[26] Olivier Roy,  Un fundamentalisme sunnite en panne de projet 
politique,  Le Monde Diplomatique, October 1998, pp. 8-9.

[27] Allix,  Instabilite persistente en Asie Centrale,  p.5.

[28] Ibid.

[29] Rashid,  Pakistan and the Taliban,  p. 87.

[30] Rashid,  The Taliban: Exporting Extremism,  p.27.  

[31] Barbara Crossette,  As Hijacking Drama Plays Out, Views on 
Taliban Shift,  The New York Times, December 30, 1999.

[32] Peter Tomsen,  A Chance for Peace in Afghanistan,  Foreign 
Affairs, (January/February 2000), p.179.

 

[33] See discussion above on period of 1979-1989.

[34] The author encountered this sort of reaction from a number 
of Afghans from various tribal groupings and political 
persuasions during an extensive fact-finding mission in the 
summer of 1998.

[35] John F. Burns of The New York Times, as cited in 
Matinuddin,  The Taliban Phenomenon,  p.88.

[36] Roshan Zamir,  Deoband Opposes some of Taliban Beliefs,  
The Nation, Pakistan, March 11, 1998.

[37] Tomsen,  A Chance for Peace,  p.180.

[38] Allix,  Instabilite persistente,  p.5. 

 

[39] The U.S. State Department latest annual report Patterns of 
Global Terrorism 1998 (April 1999), p.9, describes the situation 
as follows:  Islamic extremists from around the world   
including large numbers of Egyptians, Algerians, Palestinians, 
and Saudis   in 1998 continued to use Afghanistan as a training 
ground and a base of operations for their worldwide terrorist 
activities. The Taliban facilitated the operation of training 
and indoctrination facilities for non-Afghans and provided 
logistical support and sometimes passports to members of various 
terrorist organizations.  Throughout 1998 the Taliban continued 
to host Osama Bin Ladin, who was indicted in November for the 
bombings in August of two U.S. Embassies in East Africa.  

[40] Ahmed Rashid,  Les talibans au coeur de la destabilisation 
regionale,  [http://monde-
diplomatique.fr/1999/11/RASHID/12663.html], November 1999.

[41] Ibid.

 

[42] Dawn, Pakistan, February 2, 2000.

[43]  Kabul, Islamabad Reaffirm Opposition to Terrorism: Taliban 
Stick to Stand on Bin Laden,  
[http://www.dawn.com/fixed/arch/arch.html].

[44] Ahmed Rashid,  The Talibanisation of Pakistan,  Daily 
Telegraph, December 28, 1998.

[45] Ahmed Rashid,  Raise the Crescent,  in Far Eastern Economic 
Review, December 3, 1998.

[46] Rashid,  The Talibanisation of Pakistan. 

[47] Ahmed Rashid,  Les talibans au coeur de la destabilisation 
regionale,  [http://monde-
diplomatique.fr/1999/11/RASHID/12663.html], November 1999.

[48] Rashid,  Raise the Crescent.  

[49] Ibid.

[50] Jane Perlez,  U.S. Says Pakistan Backed Hijackers of Indian 
Jetliner,  The New York Times, January 25, 2000.

[51] Francoise Chipaux,  Une offensive generale des talibans 
contre l opposition afghane se dessinerait: Le soutien 
pakistanais aux maitres de Kaboul s est renforce,  Le Monde, 
July 28, 1999.

 

[52] Rashid,  The Talibanisation of Pakistan. 

[53] Rashid,  Raise the Crescent. 

[54] Perlez,  U.S. Says Pakistan Backed Hijackers. 

[55] Rashid,  Raise the Crescent. 

[56] Barbara Crossette,  Afghan Heroin Feeds Addiction in 
Region, U.N. Report Declares,  The New York Times, March 1, 
2000.   The report notes that Afghanistan  is also becoming a 
major manufacturer of heroin, which is contributing to a rise in 
addiction throughout the region.   Another report specifies the 
opium production for 1999 as 5,070 tons, or about 75 percent of 
the global yield (Barry Bearak,  Distress in the Opium 
Bazaar:  Can t Make a Profit ,  The New York Times, March 3, 
2000).

SORRY THAT PAPER WAS SO LONG!

But if you read through it,
it shows how the Taliban Power is spreading
in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ubeckistan, and threatens 
all surrounding areas, India, Russia, Asia, etc...

If this papers report is truely accurate,
The Taliban is the largest threat to world peace
since the sorrowful  Communist / Capitalist conflict!

Sorry About that Russia!
I hope Russia and USA can be forever friends! :-)

I guess the bottom line is:  
Trouble sucks, peace is better!

God Help us all live in Peace and Happiness! :-)

As I peruse some of the hateful crap posted above, I remain 
proud to be an American, but ashamed of some of my countrymen 
and saddened that they can call themselves American without 
having Clue Number One about what America stands for or what 
being an American means.

America has made her share of blunders, but throughout her 
history America has always stood for freedom, justice, equity, 
and human rights.  We've never said that some people should have 
more of these things because of their race, religion, or ethnic 
origin, or that others should have less of these things. 
Instead, America has proclaimed to the world, "We hold these 
truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that 
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable 
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of 
Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are 
instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the 
consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government 
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People 
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, 
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its 
powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect 
their Safety and Happiness." (Paragraph 2, Declaration of 
Independence).

Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of 
Confederation, the Constitution of 1787, or the writings of any 
of our nation's founding fathers do we find anything which could 
be used to justify an American "jihad (holy war)" against Islam, 
or against Afghanistan and its people, or against any nation or 
people.  Why is this?  It is because, if you are an American, 
there *IS NO* justification for such an atrocity!

Do you want to live by "an eye for an eye"?  Live by that creed 
for long enough, as the great Irish bard Tommy Sands observed, 
and we will all be blind.

So, to all those "super-patriots" who want to show how proud 
they are to be Americans by beating up people who look or 
speak "different", I have a suggestion:  If you are so tough, 
and love America so much, why haven't you joined the U.S. 
military forces?  True, you can forget the Marines, because they 
are looking for a few *GOOD* men, not a few sorry street toughs 
like yourselves.  But there's always room in the Army for an 
S.O.B. who is willing to put his life on the line--so why 
haven't you enlisted?

For those who are over-age or disabled, and can't enlist, what's 
stopping you from organizing a group of volunteers to protect 
Islamic people from being attacked, and Islamic property from 
being vandalized?  If you can get enough volunteers, you can 
extend this service to other groups at risk for being assaulted 
and/or vandalized, such as the Sikhs and Hindus.  Remember, the 
average street tough is neither very smart nor very well 
educated--he will attack anyone who looks or speaks "different". 
We've seen Greek Orthodox Christians attacked by gangs of these 
ignorant, bigoted louts.

So if someone in your area is organizing volunteer protective 
services for Muslims and Islamic properties, join up.  If nobody 
in your area is doing this, start doing this.

Then when the street-Nazis show up, you'll be there first, and 
innocent people won't be hurt or killed, because you were there. 
That's what America is all about.  And when they ask you what 
you're supporting, tell them what we told them:  "Freedom of 
religion!  It's in the Bill of Rights!"

It's great to be proud to be an American.  It's even better to 
know why.

Let us know where you'll be for your next book signing !!!!

Translation: Pickthall

[an-Nisa' 4:56] Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, 
We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are 
consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they 
may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION AND THE GOAL IS TO FORCE 
ISLAM ON THE "DISBELIEVERS"

Translation: Pickthall


[an-Nisa' 4:91] Ye will find others who desire that they 
should have security from you, and security from their own 
folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are 
plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you 
peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them 
wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you 
clear warrant.

ISLAM IS NOT A "PEACEFUL" RELIGION.  IT IS A RELIGION 
OF HATRED!

Translation: Pickthall

[al-Ma'idah 5:51] O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and 
the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. 
He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. 
Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

ISLAMIC BELIEVERS - IT IS TIME TO SPEAK UP ABOUT 
THESE PASSAGES IN THE QU'RAN!  THE CHRISTIAN 
WORLD IS WAITING!

Is it gain that Islam advances its cause via the blood of 
others?

The nations of Islam - it is time to speak out and explain the 
hatred in the Qu'ran.

AMERICA WAKE UP -EDUCATE YOURSELVES!  You will 
know a man by his works!

IF I SAY THAT BIN-LADEN IS A PIG-FUCKING, HEARTLESS, ASSWIPE AND 
THAT I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HIM AND I WISH HIM DEAD WITH EVERY 
SINGLE BREATH, I PRAY EVERY NIGHT THAT HE WILL DIE. I DO THIS 
BECAUSE HE HAS SENTENCED ME (AMERICA) TO DEATH. THIS OFFENDS ME 
BECAUSE I (AMERICANS) ARE INNOCENT. THE INNOCENTS...YES...THE 
ONE'S THAT THE "RELIGION OF PEACE" (ISLAM) CLAIM THEY ARE 
FORBIDDEN TO MURDER. I SAY TO YOU, OSAMA-BIN-LADEN HAS 
CIRCUMVENTED YOUR BELOVED KORAN (I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF I 
SPELLED IT WRONG SO SHUT UP), BY DECLARING ALL AMERICANS UNFIT 
FOR LIFE ON EARTH. WELL FUCK YOU, I AM MAD, FUCK HIM.
ALL YOU BITCH ASS PUSSY AMERICANS ALWAYS WAVING YOUR FLAGS AND 
SINGING YOUR BULLSHIT SONGS AIN'T GONNA SAVE OUR ASSES FROM THIS 
RACIST MOTHERFUCKER (BIN-LADEN) AND HE IS A FUCKING RACIST, NO 
DIFFERENT FROM HITLER. I WON'T CALM DOWN, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR 
WORLD PEACE AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE LIKE ME 
DON'T FIGHT FOR YOU, YOU WON'T BE ALIVE TO ARGUE ABOUT IT, 
YOU'LL BE CAUSUALTIES OF THE FUCKING RAGHEAD GARBAGE.
OHHHHHHHH YOU ARE SO EMBARRASED OF MY LANGUAGE, IT OFFENDS YOU 
AND YOU THINK I AM NOT A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF AMERICA?
GO FUCK YOURSELF WHILE THE REST OF US PREPARE TO DEFEND YOUR 
UNGRATEFUL ASSES FROM THE BEAST OF THE EAST. I WILL GO DOWN 
FIGHTING RATHER THAN BEING DEFEATED BY YOUR INTELLECTUAL 
RATIONALIZATIONS OF DIPLOMACY AND PROPER ETTIQUETTE. AMERICA 
WASN'T FOUNDED IN YOUR NICE-NICE BULLSHIT OUTLOOK ON LIFE, IT 
WAS FOUNDED ON BLOOD, AND IT WILL BE DEFENDED IN BLOOD. AFRAID 
TO FACE IT? GO BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW 
WHEN OSAMA HAS BEEN CRUCIFIED IN MECCA.

http://www.cin.org/bushra/mag1196/0896saad.html

http://www.rawa.org

So, do they hate everyone who's not like them or just Christians 
and Jews?

well....we sneak in, capture him, do a quick sex change 
operation, electolysis to remove that unsightly beard and other 
body hair, breast implants...then after he has healed, we drop 
him off with the taliban....gee...he's tall enough to be a model 
too!

ooh my gosh

What have you done? This is a question millions of Americans ask 
you daily. But of course you have no real answer. I will share 
with you this. What you have done is awaken the sleeping giant. 
I am sure that you have faith and a strong belief in your 
actions. But make no mistake you have seriosly miscalculated the 
United States of America. We are not afraid of your tiny little 
cries for recognition. The tears you see on our television 
networks are tears of pain for our lost country men. They are 
not tears shed in fear. You must understand that in America we 
have always found great strength in times of danger and terror. 
Do not forget the United States not even a century ago defeated 
what at the time was thought to be the greatest military power 
the world had seen the Nazis of Germany, they like you were an 
small minded scared eliteist organization that came to power 
after turmoil. They like you believed in one type of life and 
had strong convictions of conservativism. They like you punished 
and persecuted those who did not have the same beliefs as they. 
You will suffer just as they did. You will have an embarassing 
and very public defeat. You will forever be known as the 
cowardis, faceless, tiny, scared, and ignorant men who once 
thought they could win against the United States and brought 
shame to thier religion. Make no mistake we will destroy you. We 
wont just punish you. We wont just retaliate. You see, where you 
made the mistake about America was in thinking that because our 
nation seems so transparet, and supposedly easy to assess by the 
television and your out of touch poor intelligence supplied by 
those who do not know what it is like to be American. Behind the 
our government unlike yours is a nation of people. 200 plus 
million and growing. There are farmers, auto mechanics, lawyers, 
doctors, waiters, clergy men, mothers, sons, daughters, 
teachers, restaurant managers, and millions more who are ready 
to fight. Who would gladly stomp you down in the street. Most of 
us unlike your poor mis managed poverty stricken hell hole 
country have money, cars, and weapons. Yes thats right weapons. 
Dont under estimate the American populations ability ot defend 
itself. The numbers you see being mobilized in our Armed forces 
are but a scratch of those Americans ready to take you out of 
power and vanish you from the earth. I dont think you estimated 
our reaction very well. You know those television news stories 
you see with Americans waiving flags and hanging flags outside 
thier houses and business's, well each of those flags represent 
1 American ready to help fight your barbarism. I hope that you 
arent so smug as to not realize the shear numbers you do not 
have. We by ourselves not counting our alies have enough man 
power to match you Man to Man many many times over and still be 
here to see the end result of our victory.  We are America you 
idiots not some third world under advanced nation like you. We 
will most certainly crush you. It will only be a matter of time 
till one of you is caught on our soil. Then you will begin to 
see our punishment of murderers. You should not have taken your 
gloves off and started this street fight. Your the man who 
brings his knife to what clearly is a gunfight. If you think 
that we dont payback so harshly those who attack us, why dont 
you ask the people of Heroshima, Japan for thier perspective. We 
are awake little terrorist, only now we are not worried about 
diplomacy we are just plain MAD! So I will say goodbye and good 
ridence to you all. And now I am sure you are asking 
yourselves............What have we done? ............God Bless 
the United States of America and all of her citizens Black, 
Brown, White, Yellow, Red, Muslim, Jew, Christian, 
Buddhist,Atheist, Male, Female, Youth, and Elderly. In other 
words Americans!     

IGNORANCE IS WHAT GETS YOU TO JUDGE PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE OF RACE 
COLOR OR RELIGION........TRANSLATE THIS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I 
AM RIGHT......


ESTAMOS EN LOS FINES DEL MUNDO LA TROMPETA SIETE BA A TOCAR MUY 
PRONTO Y CUANDO ESO PASE DECEARAN CONFEZAR SUS PECADOS PERO SERA 
DEMASIADO TARDE.......

A.H..........YAKIMA WASHINGTON.....

I think what you told about islamic culture is VERY INTERESTING, 
path

you afghans are gonna be soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry!

Dear Satin Bin Ladin and friends;
     As an American Citizen I slept very well last night, did 
you? As I slept a great big machine continued working on its 
goal; the corruption of your plans and objectives. Your criminal 
acts and satanic plan will not be tolerated. You will submit to 
the great american system and your followers will be 
neutralized. In fact, your neutralization is already in 
progress. 
     As you try to sleep at night beware of your friends and 
comrads. Just as you are a coward you cowardly followers are 
conspiring to betray you. This is how things work when you 
enlist Satin's doctrines.
     We will fight you till the last if necessary; however, we 
are so much stronger than you this will not be necessary. We 
will free the people you have oppressed and intimitated. We will 
put you down and show the world the coward you really are.
     Goodbye you pussy whimp. The Studs of the world are going 
to kick your ass. Time is running out for you.

Freedom

The One, you are exactly right...these long letters on this 
board are from intellectual morons who think they are living in 
a perfect world. There has never been "world peace" and there 
never will be. We were attacked by the living piece of breathing 
camel shit, osama bin laden, and now he and all his followers 
must be sent to join their beloved allah. I wipe my ass on the 
koran and osama`s beard. If only I could kill him myself, they 
could keep the 5 million reward or give it to the families of 
those slaughtered in the attacks. bin laden now has look-alikes 
traveling around afghanistan as decoys--no problem--kill them 
all. As for the "innocents", osama owes us 5 or 6 
thousand....... that`s the way I see it and fuck all you peace-
preachers.

Well, I'm sorry, but I can speak the Truth and live 
straightforward without the need of any religion, not even the 
Catholic one..

Lock and load!

if your head`s in a rag
you`re going in a bag

TAKE THAT MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOOM!!BOOM!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Die motherfuckers!!!!!!!ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

KABOOM,KABOOM,KABOOM,KABOOM,KABOOM--------
DIE YOU PIECES OF CAMEL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ha ha ha ha ha ha 
ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIMES UP!!!!!!ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!

"all night long"----ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
You all dead meat-------ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!

THIS "SCUD'S" FOR YOU"ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 
ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ka-Boom Ka-Boom
da da da da dah da dah da da  dah
Ka-Boom Ka-Boom
20 kilometers, over the hill,
the bombs are falling, oh what a thrill,
Osama is a hidin down in a hole,
And the USA will take its toll....
TAKE THAT!!!!!!

Day-o, day-ay-ay-o 
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!
Day, he say day, he say day, he say day,
He say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!

Work all night loadin' me gun,
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!
Stack me ammo till thee morning come, 
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!

Come mister Taliban, tali me Bin Ladin,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
Come mister Taliban, tali me Bin Ladin,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!

Six bomb, seven bomb, eight bomb, boom!
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
Six bomb, seven bomb, eight bomb, boom!
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
 
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!
Day, he say day, he say day, he say day,
He say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!

An ugly bunch of black Afgani,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
Hide the deadly black Bin Ladin,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!

Six bomb, seven bomb, eight bomb, boom!
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
Six bomb, seven bomb, eight bomb, boom!
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!


Come mister Taliban, tali me Bin Ladin,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!
Come mister Taliban, tali me Bin Ladin,
Daylight come and the bombs'll go boom!

Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!
Day, he say day, he say day, he say day,
He say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come an' the bombs'll go boom!

GOOD ONE SPY!!!!!!!!!  I like it!!!!!!

First of all F-U-C-K ALL of you bleeding -heart liberals and 
leftist. If you want to protect arabs then take your asses over 
to afghanistan. You left-wingers can die with them!!!!!
As for you sand-niggers.........I fucking told you didn;t I?
Your ragheaded asses are DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Hell with islam,allah, and all of your other fucked up ways 
of life.
THE U>S>A> IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
USA RULES!!!!!!
The rest of the world is only an extention of the United 
States!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you like your women and children crisy or extra-crispy.
Hey Osama bin laden..........I got a rope with 13 knots in it 
for your ass .....boy!!!!
Ya'all don't know what that is do you?
Soon as we bring your ass over here into a court of law you 
will find out.....boy.
How does that bombing taste? 
You like that boy!!!!!!!!
The USA is your Daddy now.
Sit still boy before we slapp you upside the back of the head!!!
GOD IS DEAD!!!!!
HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!!!

You have the right to die.If you give up that right,we're gonna
kill you all anyways. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

looks a little smogy over there.ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

ppppppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssss-------KaBOOM!!!!!!!!
!ha ha ha ha!!!!!

YOUR GETTING BOMBED!  HAHAHA!

OH I FORGOT TO TELL YOUR UGLY SAND ASSES THAT...  YOU'RE GETTING 
BOMBED!!!  LOL :) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! What do you hear? BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

LOL!!!  HOW MUCH I AGREE!

RE:
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! What do you hear? BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Hey--here's a little tune for you assholes----ha ha ha!!!!

(to the tune of "Folsom Prison Blues")
                    
(E)
i here them planes a flying
they're flyin' overhead
dropping bombs left & right
ka-boom you're dead
               (A)
well you're dead meat in the pot now
                                (E)
boiling ashes, in camel soup
             (B7) 
but them missles keep a flying
                             (E)
right up your poop shoot
 
da da- da da-da da-dah
da da- da da-da dah
da da- da da-da da-dah
(etc.)

when i was just a baby
my mama told me "son"
"always keep your powder dry"
"and always clean your gun"
buy i shot a man in kabul
just to watch him die
when i hear them missles whistle
i hold my head up high

(to the tune of "Folsom Prison Blues")

i here them planes a flying
they're flyin' overhead
dropping bombs left & right
ka-boom you're dead               
well you're dead meat in the pot now                               
boiling ashes, in camel soup             
but them missles keep a flying
right up your poop shoot
 
da da- da da-da da-dah
da da- da da-da dah
da da- da da-da da-dah
(etc.)

when i was just a baby
my mama told me "son"
"always keep your powder dry"
"and always clean your gun"
buy i shot a man in kabul
just to watch him die
when i hear them missles whistle
i hold my head up high

(to the tune of "Folsom Prison Blues")


                    

i here them planes a flying
they're flyin' overhead
dropping bombs left & right
ka-boom you're dead               
well you're dead meat in the pot now                               
boiling ashes, in camel soup             
but them missles keep a flying
right up your poop shoot
 
da da- da da-da da-dah
da da- da da-da dah
da da- da da-da da-dah
(etc.)

when i was just a baby
my mama told me "son"
"always keep your powder dry"
"and always clean your gun"
but i shot a man in kabul
just to watch him die
when i hear them missles whistle
i hold my head up high

hey ragheads--welcome to the USA CAFE--today`s special is roast 
raghead and camel on a stick--c`mon--you`ll have a "BLAST"!! Oh, 
I`m sorry, you`re already having that! DIE,YOU SAND SUCKING, 
CAMEL FUCKING, RAG HEAD BASTARDS---YOU CAN`T DIE FAST ENOUGH TO 
SATISFY ME--YEEEHAWWW!!!
               

DDAAAAAAAAAYYYYOOOOO!   DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYooooo!  Airforce come 
and they flatten your home.  Hey Mr. Taliban we know where you 
run!  Air Force come and they flatten your home.  (Everybody 
sing now) 

HERE WE ARE!!!  THERE IS A LASER SIGHTED TARGET ON YOUR ASS AND 
WE ONLY USED 15 AIRCRAFT!!!!  THAT IS NOT EVEN 1/16th of OUR 
FORCE YOU PUSSY!!!  NUKES ARE COMING TOO.  THAT IS WHAT BUSH 
MEANT BY SMOKIN YOU COWARD RATS OUT OF YOUR HOLES!!!

i here them planes a flying
they're flyin' overhead
dropping bombs left & right
ka-boom you're dead               
well you're dead meat in the pot now                               
boiling ashes, in camel soup             
but them missles keep a flying
right up your poop shoot
 
da da- da da-da da-dah
da da- da da-da dah
da da- da da-da da-dah
(etc.)

when i was just a baby
my mama told me "son"
"always keep your powder dry"
"and always clean your gun"
but i shot a man in kabul
just to watch him die
when i hear them missles whistle
i hold my head up high

da da- da da-da da-dah
da da- da da-da dah
da da- da da-da da-dah
(etc.)

well if they'd free from my post now, if that f-16 were mine
i'd ram it up your ass so far, i'd kill all your kind
far from the face of this planet; would your retched souls be
and the people of this planet, could live their lifes out free

spero che questa guerra faccia fuori tutti i terroristi di merda
anche Saddam Hussein che mi sta sul cazzo
forza america sei tutti noi.
WE ARE ALL WITH YOU.

spero che questa guerra faccia fuori tutti i terroristi di merda
anche Saddam Hussein che mi sta sul cazzo
forza america sei tutti noi.
WE ARE ALL WITH YOU.

There's a picture of a goats ass with a towel over its tail on
my TV.

THE TRUTH IS THAT HITLER HAD SEX WITH A CAMEL AND THAT HOW WE 
ENDED UP WITH OSAMA BOMB YOUR ASS BIN LADIN !!!~@@~ LA LA LA LA 
LA LA LA LA OW SAY CAN YOU HEAR THEM BOMDS BUSTING IN YOUR HOMES 
LALAL LAL ALA 

I'll be -----that goats ass with the towel over its tail is farting 
into a microphone. 

Fuck the koran---RUN FOR YOUR FUCKING LIVES!!!!!!!

this world knows only one terrorist. this terrorist is us.

land for sale near Kaboom,afghanistan--no trees,flowers or 
buildings--everything being cleared as you read this ad.

this world knows many  terrorist. one terrorist is you.

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                       THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                 

The Americans will get you! Beware! The time of revenge has 
come! What you believe in is not a real God, but a stupid 
bastard that will let you die now. You'll be buried along with 
your Kalashnikov guns, dirty goat beards and stained turbans. 
There will be nobody to grieve after you nor to read the verset 
of Koran over your grave. For there will be no grave either ... 
And the whole world will be dancing joyfully and watching the 
smoke over Afghanistan .

10/07/01

Abdul Sala Zaeef says many of there soldiers reporting in 
dead.
Apparently their body parts landed about half hour after first 
wave.

U.S. wondering if they should use military arms instead of 
"4th of July" display.

Bin Laden said to be out of clean underwear.(Reuters)

Fuck the US

YOU SHOULD LEAVE OUT THE WORD "THE", THEN YOUR MESSAGE WILL BE
UNDERSTOOD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD!

10/07/01

Abdul Sala Zaeef says many of their soldiers reporting in 
dead.
Apparently their body parts landed about half hour after first 
wave.

U.S. wondering if they should use military arms instead of 
"4th of July" display.

Bin Laden said to be out of clean underwear.

Reports of farting goatass expelling large amounts of gas 
into microphone.

Realestate prices in Kabul bottom out within seconds.
(Reuters)
Stay tuned for further asskicking:

Fuck You!!!!!!!KA-BOOM!!!!!!!!!ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 
ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"smalest weapon possible----"ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

HEY WORLD, U ARE SO STUPID!!! 

Kay-BOOM!!!!!
       KERMOTHERFUCKINGPOWEE!!!!!!
                       KA--BOOM!!!!
KERMOTHERFUCKINGPOW!!!!!!
                 
KAMOTHERFUCKINGSKINABURNINGFACEAMELTINGBOO
M!!!!!!!!!

There's that farting goats ass again.

OK, well....we sneak in, capture him, take him to an undisclosed 
location, do a quick sex change operation (broadcast live on 
tv).  We only use local anesthesia and give him a monitor so he 
can watch with a snip, snip here and a snip, snip there.  Here a 
snip, there a snip, everywhere a snip, snip. The we do some 
electolysis to remove that unsightly beard and other body hair 
permanently, some breast implants (like Pam Anderson?)...then 
after he has healed, (Yeah....and then parade his recreated ass 
around in a thong...) we drop him off with the 
Taliban....gee...he's tall enough to be a model 
too!  
Anyone out there old enough to remember Pat Travers doing "Boom, 
Boom, Out Go the Lights?"
 

10/07/01


U.S. says "now that the flares are in place, military strikes 
can begin."

Bin Laden said to be out of clean underwear.
Bin Laden said to resort to thumb sucking .

Saddam reported saying"see ya--would'nt wantta be ya.", 
while describing in astonishing detail how he personally 
oversaw 9/11/01!
 
U.S.reported saying"we'll seeya mister iraqi guy sooner than 
latter.

Reports of farting goatass with some linen wraped around 
its tail, expelling large amounts of gas into microphone; 
keep coming in from all around the world. U.S. looks for 
trainer.

Realestate prices in Kabul bottom out within seconds.

Talibans Abdul Sala Zaeef says many of their soldiers 
reporting in dead.
Apparently their body parts landed about a half hour after 
first wave of U.S. led attacks.
Many of them were on fire at the time.

(Reuters)
Stay tuned for further asskicking:

Thats yo'ass mr post man!!!!

3rd wave started.

10/07/01


U.S. says "now that the flares are in place, military strikes 
can begin." "3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,---etc.waves."

Bin Laden said to be out of clean underwear.
Bin Laden said to resort to thumb sucking .
Bin Laden diagnosed with parkinsons.

Saddam reported saying"see ya--would'nt wantta be ya." 
while describing in astonishing detail how he personally 
oversaw 9/11/01!
 
U.S.reported saying"we'll seeya mister iraqi guy sooner than 
latter.
Saddam diagnosed with parkinsons.

Reports of farting goatass with some linen wraped around 
its tail, expelling large amounts of gas into microphone; 
keep coming in from all around the world. U.S. looks for 
trainer.

Realestate prices in Kabul bottom out within seconds.

Talibans Abdul Sala Zaeef says many of their soldiers 
reporting in dead.
Apparently their body parts landed about a half hour after 
first wave of U.S. led attacks.
Many of them were on fire at the time.
Other troops reporting in diagnosed with parkinsons.
(Reuters)
Stay tuned for further asskicking:

A SEX CHANGE FOR OSAMA?  WHAT AN IDEA.  THEN WE CAN SEND IS BUTT 
PUMPIN' ASS TO SAN FRANCISCO!!!  THOSE BOYS WOULD MAKE A PUNK 
OUT OF HIM.

I love it.  One cruise missle after another slams in to Kabul.  
Another goes into a cave. 

By the way, there are no women on the planet that measure up to 
American women.  Hey Osama, we like our women independent.

Video Tape--!!!???
Ooooohhhhhhhhh---you such a "brave" soldier.
Why don't you do a live broadcast!!!!!!

Well Osama you dumb ass.......first of all you say you had 
nothing to do with the World Trade Center bombing.....then in 
fornt of just about everyone, on TV, you admit your involvement. 
And the Taliban are as stupid as you are. I would say it was a 
confession of your guilt to the crime, and the Taliban 
involvement as well.

           WWWWWWWWWW          W           WWWWWWWWWW
            WWWWWWWWWW        WWW         WWWWWWWWWW
             WWWWWWWWWW      WWWWW       WWWWWWWWWW
              WWWWWWWWWW    WWWWWWW     WWWWWWWWWW
               WWWWWWWWWW  WWWWWWWWW   WWWWWWWWWW
                WWWWWWWWW  WWWWWWWWW  WWWWWWWWWW
                 WWWWWWWW  WWWWWWWWW  WWWWWWWWW
                  WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
                   WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Remember, his name is GEORGE W BUSH, The President of the United 
States of America, and he will get you and bring you to us!

Stupid terrorist.

One becomes wonder as if "Bin Laden" is the inventor of the 
word TERRORISM.  
All sorts of names and labels have been given to Bin Laden 
to the extent that his own brother Abdullahi Bin Laden was 
almost succumbing to the shameful paint with which his 
brother has been painted by America and its allies.
The question is: Is Bin Laden really a terrorist and if so, how 
and why did he become one?  I think it makes sense to 
always ask WHY rather than peaking our judgements from 
the surface so that we may not all breach an American law 
which says: "It is better for 200 criminals to escape free than 
to punish an innocent citizen".
There can never be smoke without fire.  Attacks on America, 
to me, is metaphorically 'smoke' and the fire which caused 
that smoke should be looked for not military action against 
those suspected to have caused the smoke.
I hope that all these sentiments against the name OSAMA 
BIN LADEN will all stop!

Dear Satin Bin Ladin & Friends;
   Hold on girls the fun is just beginning. I think it is time 
for you to really hide. Oh, sorry, you can't do that. We're just 
chasing you around. Run away! Run away! Opps, there's no where 
to run. Mabey you can hide in New York City. 
   Hey, remember my last message? Yea, the part about how well I 
slept last night? Hey man, I'm getting ready to go to bed now. 
I'm gonna sleep real good tonight. Go ahead and attack us again, 
we know your gonna do it. We're ready. Shit, I'll probably wake 
up. Come on you pussy. Remember, while you sleep your comrads 
are betraying you.
  Hey, really, why don't you come to New York City in person. 
I'd love to see a Western women bitch slap you right before she 
kicks you ass, you whimp pussy goat. Oh, by the way, Satin 
doesn't give reach arounds.
  George Bush is a stud and you are a pussy.

Freedom 

Dear Stupid Bashir;
   Stupid people in the way get hurt or neutralized. Look at 
history. You are stupid and if you get in the way you are 
history. We simply don't have time to waste moving you out of 
the line of fire. 
Freedom

YEAH THOUGH I WALK THRU THE VALLEY OF DEATH, I SHALL FEAR NO 
RAGHEADS, FOR THOU IS WITH ME. 

THE DAWN COMES SLOW, THE NIGHTS RAIN TERROR. WE ARE NOT AFRAID 
BIN-PIGFUCKER. YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT AMERICA. BUT YOU 
ARE GOING TO FIND OUT. TOMORROW AMERICA WILL GO TO WORK, THEY 
WILL GO TO SOCCER GAMES, THEY WILL FLY, THEY WILL EAT NUTRISIOUS 
FOOD GROWN BY THEIR HARDWORKING EFFORTS. SOME WILL WAVE FLAGS, 
OTHERS WILL PRAY FOR YOUR DEATH AS THE HUNTERS CONTINUE THEIR 
PURSUIT. YOU COULD BLOW UP THE STATUE OF LIBERTY TOMORROW, YOU 
COULD ASSISINATE GEORGE BUSH...YOU'LL NEVER STOP US, OUR HEARTS 
AND MINDS WILL RETURN YOU THE ONLY FUCKING "INTEREST" YOU 
DESERVE ON YOUR EVIL INVESTMENT OF HATE, THE ANSWER IS HATE AND 
BLOODSHED.

LONG LIVE ISRAEL, LONG LIVE ARIEL SHARON AND SHIMON PERES, MEN 
WITH BIG SACKS OF BALLS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS. MEN WHO HAVE MORE 
COURAGE THAN ANY COALITION COULD EVER COLLECTIVELY MUSTER.

THIS IS SO VERY MUCH ABOUT ISLAM. SOON, WE AMERICAN PATRIOTS 
WILL CROSS YOUR LINE...RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA YOU WILL DIE THE 
SAME WAY YOUR BRETHREN KILL US, TO THIS I PROPHESIZE. BIN-LADEN 
SWEARS THERE WILL NOT BE PEACE. I SWEAR WE WILL CLEANSE THIS 
NATION OF IT'S DOMESTIC ENEMIES. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS, THE TIME DRAWS NEAR....

FUCK YOUR ISLAMIC JIHAD.

10/07/01


U.S. says "now that dead Taliban soldiers lie all over 
Afghan, military strikes will continue." 
"13rd,14th,15th,16th,17th,---81st,90th,91st---etc.waves."

Bin Laden said to be reciting prayer---something about 
"---his toes are cupcakes burning black in Betty Crocker's 
Oven---"
Bin Laden hit by lighting bolt from Alah.---something about 
"---MY GOD!!! my FUCKING TOES !!!! 
Bin Laden said to be out of clean underwear, reports of 
huge bowell movments within his cave.
Bin Laden diagnosed with parkinsons; doctors say"not long 
for Osama to live."

Taliban say one quarter of their soldiers reporting in dead. 
Another third have already been donated to the Future 
Farmers of America soil conservation program.
Apparently the first quarter was body parts landing about a 
half hour after the first wave of U.S. led attacks.
Many of them were on fire at the time.
Other troops reporting in diagnosed with parkinsons.

Some asshole named"Bashir" surfaces.INTERPOL hit 
squads dispatced.

(Reuters)
Stay tuned for further asskicking:

WE KNOW, MULLAH OMAR, HEAD OF THE TALLY-BAN, IS IN FACT, USAMA 
BIN-LADEN. ONE IN THE SAME, OMAR/USAMA RUN THE TALIBAN. NO ONE 
HAS EVER SEEN OMAR BECAUSE HE IS USAMA, OR ASSMAMA AS I CALL HIM.
VERY OBVIOUS.

The US are justified by todays bombing of Afghanistan,
just as the terrorists were justified by their acts.
In war, there are no winners.....
just lost lives- 

On Sept 11, lives were lost in the name of freedom
and in the name of innocence.
Provocation is a judged through the eyes of the victims.
Yet we ask - who are the victims?

Look back at Palestine and their land.....
no more.
Look at the takers, 
more of whom now live in New York than in the Promised land.

Provocation is judged accordingly.
Support oppression and you pay the price.

It's your call........

BIN-LADEN IS JUST PISSED BECAUSE HIS DADDY NEVER TOOK HIM TO 
DISNEY WORLD FOR SUMMER VACATIONS WHEN HE WAS YOUNG.

KILLING 7000+ INNOCENT PEOPLE IS FREEDOM FROM WHAT?
BACKWARDS ASSED ARAB LOGIC...
I BELIEVE THIS IS FROM MALNUTRITION, BRAIN DIDN'T DEVELOP RIGHT, 
OR COMPROMISED GENE POOL...TOO MUCH GOAT FUCKING.
THE CIVILIZED WORLD VALUES LIFE ABOVE ALL...
ALL YOU SHITHEAD MUSLIMS CARE ABOUT IS DEATH.
OUR VALUE SYSTEMS WILL NEVER BE RECONCILED UNTIL YOU ARE ALL 
DEAD AND WE LIVE ON. THIS WOULD SEEM TO BE THE BALANCE OF NATURE 
TO COME. FREEDOM MY ASS, BABY KILLER MOTHERFUCKERS I PISS ON 
YOUR GRAVES...

YES I DO...IT'S TRUE, EVEN YOU STUPID ARABS, I LOVE EVERYONE OF 
YOU, SEND KISSES!

Bombs awaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy

happiness/ freedom/  liberty
AWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY



ha ha to you tooooooo


yippie ka ye
to you tooo
motherfucker

Some asshole named"Bashir" surfaces.INTERPOL hit 
squads dispatched.
Additional squads dispatched at  Sun Oct 7 21:38:14 2001. 

Dear Satin Bin Ladin;
   You are a pussy and the Great Stud George Bush is just 
running you down. I've seen pictures of you in your camo jacket. 
I have one too. Guess where I got it.
   I'm out now, but my brothers are very close by. You know, 
they will do what they are told, but it is very important they 
be given very explicit instructions. If not they will take 
matters in their own hands. It's amazing what you can do with a 
canteen cup, some nylon cord and some rocks.
   Sleep well pussy. George Bush is talking with your comrads.
Freedom

I screwed up above---here is what I meant--taking bets on what 
kills the goat fucker{missle, bullet,knife,himself}

Dear Satin Bin Ladin;
   Time is an interesting thing. We use it to wake up in the 
morning after a good nights sleep. We use it to help us to know 
when to go to sleep (if we aren't exhausted) so we can have a 
good day tomorrow. We use it to coordinate an attack on an 
enemy. We use it to sweat out an enemy if we have the resources 
to do so.
   Well, we have the resources and we have the time. We have the 
time because we have the resources and options. 
   Have I told you about what a pussy I think you are? Your just 
a little bitch rich kid who gets hungry folks to follow you. 
Basically, your a pussy. Now, when I say pussy I'm not talking 
about a womans anatomy. Nor am I talking about what a goat's ass 
looks like. What I'm talking about is a person that screws with 
desperate peoples heads because sensible folk won't put up with 
the stupid useless satanic bullshit you put out.
   Remember, Satin doesn't give reach-arounds. 

Freedom

THE JIHAD SONG
(DAY-O, HARRY BELAFONTE)
 2001- THE ONE

<INTRO> a capella

GEEEEEEE  HAWD
GEEEE EEEEE EEEEE HAWD
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME...
GEE, ME SAY GEE, ME SAY-GEE, ME SAY GEE ,ME SAY GEE, ME SAY 
GEEEEEEEE HAWD
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAAAAAAAAAAAN GOOOOOOO  HOOOOOME...(FADE)

<ENTER MUSIC>

WORK ALL DAY, DIPLOMATIC FRONT
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
HIDE IN CAVES, GET AWAY FROM BOMBS
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

COME MISTER TALLY BAN, SHOW A  ME OH SAMA
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
COME MISTER TALLY BAN, SHOW A  ME OH SAMA
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

(IT'S) SIX TON, SEVEN TON, EIGHT TON BOMBS!
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
SIX TON, SEVEN TON, EIGHT TON BOMBS!
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

GEE, ME SAY GEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE HAWD
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
GEE, ME SAY GEE, ME SAY-GEE, ME SAY GEE ,ME SAY GEE, ME SAY GEE  
(FADE)
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

A RAGGEDY BUNCH, ISLAMIC MUH-LAHS
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
NIGHTLY-DEADLY,  AMERICAN BOMB-AHS
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

(IT'S) SIX TON, SEVEN TON, EIGHT TON BOMBS!
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
SIX TON, SEVEN TON, EIGHT TON BOMBS!
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

GEE, ME SAY GEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE HAWD
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
GEE, ME SAY GEE, ME SAY-GEE, ME SAY GEE ,ME SAY GEE, ME SAY GEE  
(FADE)
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

COME MISTER TALLY BAN, SHOW A  ME OH SAMA
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME
COME MISTER TALLY BAN, SHOW A  ME OH SAMA
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME

<STOP MUSIC>  a capella

GEEEEEEE  HAWD
GEEEE EEEEE EEEEE HAWD
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAN GO HOME...
GEE, ME SAY GEE, ME SAY-GEE, ME SAY GEE ,ME SAY GEE, ME SAY 
GEEEEEEEE 
GEE HAWD COME AND WE WAAAAAAAAAAAN GOOOOOOO  HOOOOOME...(SOFTLY, 
FADE)

MOH3-the taliban edition due out Oct. 9th.

Religion or not - to Islam you are counted as a "disbeliever" 
and therefore susceptible to the same fate as a Christian or 
a Jew.

This is not a peaceful religion  - and in its most extreme 
form - such as the Wahahbins of which Osama Bin Laden 
is a follower (started in Saudi Arabia) - they believe they are 
doing ALLAH a favor by killing you!

Islam - step up!  NO ONE HAS SEEN ISLAMIC LEADERS 
STEP UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE HATRED THEY 
HARBOR OR THE HATRED IN THE QU'RAN!

Misconception 1

Islam is `the religion of peace' because: 


* the Arabic word Islam is derived from the Arabic word 
"Al-Salaam" which means peace.



It might seem strange to think of this as a misconception, 
but in fact it is. The root word of Islam is "al-silm" which 
means "submission" or "surrender." It is understood to 
mean "submission to Allah." In spite of whatever noble 
intention has caused many a Muslim to claim that Islam is 
derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in 
the Qur'an (translated):

[2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which 
is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, 
and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that 
which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the 
prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction 
between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. 
[Arabic "Muslimoon"]

A secondary root of Islam may be "Al-Salaam" (peace), 
however the text of the Qur'an makes it clear that Allah has 
clearly intended the focus of this way of life to be 
submission to Him. This entails submission to Him at all 
times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.

I BET BIN-LADEN HAS A HEART-ATTACK WHILE FUCKING A GOAT...
OR MAYBE HE'LL GET EBOLA AND DIE, MAYBE THE GOAT HAS AIDS...
MAYBE RAWA WILL CASTRATE HIM AND FEED HIS NUTS TO GOATS, WAIT, 
HE AINT GOT BALLS...
OKAY I BET BIN-LADEN WILL BE TRAMPLED TO DEATH AT THE BRITTANY 
SPEARS CONCERT IN ISLAMISBAD NEXT TUESDAY.
THATS MY FINAL ANSWER.

You got it.  Maybe we can dress Osama in a LACE thong after his 
um...HER sex change operation and PARADE HER AROUND ON DISPLAY 
IN A PORNO FLICK...and we can add the TALIBAN GIRLS who follow 
him/her just so no one gets lonely out there in the sex trade 
business.  I think s/he'd look good with air brushed nails, 
stilletto heels (shaped like the WTC), a head dress (shaped like 
the Pentagon) and a web cam coming straight out of 
Bangkok...with free viewing of him/her in a glass cage via 
sattelite world-wide.  With a litle plastic surgery, we could 
give him/her a snout like a pig.

I'm trying to think of the sickest obscene thing I can think of 
for that murderer.  I think after the sex change on him/her  
then in front of the world, hand him/her a microphone.  What say 
you Osama yo Mama?  Are we singin' Dem Ol' Kozmic Blooz yet, 
honey?

Anyone want to bid on his/her testicles in a jar on E--bay?  How 
about a spongy flaccid penis in another jar next to is/her 
smiling face?  Anyone for tattooing a full-body American flag on 
the son of a bitch?

Most Sincerely, 
American Woman

Sorry guys...that was waaaaaaay sick.  I'm just really angry.   
I didn't mean to offend anyone except Osama and his Taliban girl 
friends.

hmm, you may have something there, one. any of those could 
happen unless he chokes to death on a goats dick first...I can 
hardly wait to see.

Of course I know I'm a disbeliever to them, but I hope you don't 
think I mind that! They are the medieval ones, fortunately my 
kind progressed through the ages.
Since life of the religious muslims must be quite miserable, at 
least if they live according to the teachings of the Qu-ran and 
have been indoctrinated since birth by the Qu-rans tyranny, they 
cannot speak out for things. They believe Allah is a butcher who 
gives the right to his followers to cut limbs, to mutilate young 
girls, to annihilate women as human beings,to forbid the joy of 
life. They are afraid that if they would not live according to 
these teachings, worse things like might await them and that 
their misery will continue in eternity in the "Life Hereafter."
That is the final blackmail of all religions. Nothing even near 
to being divine could make up such a thing!
The main thing for the Islam is: total brainwashing: not giving 
people any time or chance to think with their own heads!!
That is why you never read a reasonable argument from any Muslim 
on this board. 
You are correct, the Islam means: total submission!!

  
 

Bush and Tony Blair are dirty bastards!
Ukrainians think that America and "Great" Britain must die!
Ukrainians support war against America!
We like JIHAD!!!

Bush and Blair are our "bastards".  Our "bastards" are better 
than your "bastards".  

Boys, you come from a next to useless piss ant of a country that 
doesn't raise a pimple on the ass of a goat.

Hang in there.  We'll get you too if you half-step.

Your not sick.  You just have a fertile imagination.

God, I am so damn sleepy I used the wrong "your" in previous 
post.  Should have been "you are".

OH LOOK AT EM...LIKE SHEET CLAD HERDS OF MONKIES RUNNING THROUGH 
THE STREETS OF PAKISTAN. LIGHTING SHIT ON FIRE, ATTACKING 
ANYTHING IN SIGHT...THEY LOOK SO NATURAL IN THIS SETTING...BEING 
SO VIOLENT, BURNING U.S. FLAGS, SHOUTING LIKE MADMEN...JIHAD!
JIHAD! ALL MY FUCKING LIFE BEEN WATCHING THIS...
OH THE POOR INNOCENT PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN!!!! IT IS SO 
UNFORTUNATE THAT AMERICA HAS STEPPED IN TO KILL YOU NOW. LOOK AT 
THE MONKIES OF PAKISTAN, DO YOU SEE HOW ANGRY THEY ARE? DO YOU 
KNOW WHY THEY ARE ANGRY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET TO KILL YOU NOW. 
THEY WANT TO BE THE ONES TO STARVE YOU, TO ABUSE YOU, TO KEEP 
YOU IN YOUR ETERNAL POVERTY. THEY WANT TO BE THE ONES! AND IT'S 
A JOB THAT LOVE...SO MUCH...BEING YOUR BOSS...
NOW THE BIG BOSS HAS ARRIVED AND TAKEN AWAY THEIR EXCLUSIVE 
PRIVELEDGE OF ABUSING YOU. THEY NOW HAVE COMPETITION. DON'T 
WORRY THOUGH, AS WE FEED YOU, THEY WILL DIE AS WELL, THEY LONG 
FOR DEATH BECAUSE IT RELIEVES THEM FROM THE DAILY BURDEN OF 
RUNNING THROUGH THE STREETS LIKE CRAZED IDIOTS. THEY OBVIOUSLY 
HAVEN'T LED PRODUCTIVE LIVES, THEY HAVEN'T INVESTED THEIR TIME 
IN JOINING CIVILIZED SOCIETY. THEY HAVE SQUANDERED THEIR 
COLLECTIVE ENERGIES ON WHAT? A GOD THAT DEMANDS SUBMISSION AND 
INSTILLS HATRED.
THIS IS TRULY THE BEGINNING OF THE END, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE 19 
PIECES OF ARAB, MOSLEM DOGSHIT THAT STARTED IT ALL. THE WORLD'S 
CHILDREN NOW HAVE NO FUTURE, ONLY STUPID FUCKERS IN SHEETS 
RUNNING THROUGH THE STREETS YELLING DEATH TO AMERICA. STUPID 
FUCKERS GET TO YOUR FIELDS AND FEED YOUR FUCKING SELVES.I AM 
TIRED OF FEEDING YOU AND YOU BITE MY HAND. OSAMA CAN BE YOUR 
HERO AND YOU CAN ALL ASS-FUCK HIM UNTIL GOD PUTS AN END TO THIS 
ALL...
FUCK YOUR JIHAD
UKRANIAN JIHAD MY ASS

SOON THERE WILL BE JIHAD ON MAIN STREET IN SMALL TOWN AMERICA
YES, THIS WILL COME TO BE. AND IT WILL BE BLOODY. HOPE YOU GET 
TO SEE IT ON TV.
ALL ARABS GET THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA NOW, OR FACE THE 
CONSEQUENCES...
ALLAH AWAITS YOU, ALLAH COMMANDS YOU TO HATE ME, AND I BEG TO BE 
YOUR ANGEL OF DEATH.
FOREVER AN INFIDEL, FOREVER.

yeah, I agree with you about Moslim religion.
And I am atheist too.

I am a Japanese. 
The important person of Afghanistan [ the United States or ] who 
does not want to lose is also in people who live in other 
countries. 
We make 1 page of one and sad history again. Justice is not born 
by war. Only sadness and hate are induced. For the citizen of 
Afghanistan, some terrorism organizations also catch sight of 
the United States. 
The U.S. people and Afghanistan people have also abandoned their 
religion. Nobody believes in God. Therefore, it fights.
If religion can be abandoned by killing each other, I will think 
that the world should get used to one. 
Why isn't such a thing made? Retaliation etc. is not justice. It 
is not both right.

yeah, it's QUITE true. This world knows only one terrorist. This 
terrorist is you, Islamic extrmist.

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Who are the victims? It's so clear!... Afghan terrorists are now 
going to be victims of a WAR, and people who died in the 9-11 
attacks are victims of TERRORISM.
Retaliations for coward terrorist attacks don't get called
"oppression".

to the one who calls him self The One, you know who you sound 
like, that fucking arshole BIN LARDEN. if i get hold of you then 
i will fucking kill you and any one who even looks like you you 
fucking pussy hole. 

And to the person who calls himself Freedom "YOUR THE MAN".

TO THAT FUCKING BINLARDEN YOU ARE A FUCKING 
CUNT,PUSSY,BARSTERD,MOTHER FUCKER,
AND MORE. ONE DAY YOU WILL SAY THAT YOU WISHED THAT YOU NEVER, 
EEVEEER!!! Attacked the world trade center.

ONE SHOULD KNOW THYSELF AND THY ENEMY, IF YOU KILL THE ONE, YOU 
KILL THE ALL. YOUR COMMAND OF SWEAR WORDS IS UNRIVALED. WHILE 
THE ONE CALLS FOR AMERICAN JIHAD, THE WINNERS CLAIMS VICTORY.
THERE WILL BE NO WINNING UNTIL AMERICA PURGES ITSELF OF INFIDEL 
MOSLEMS AND ANY OTHER FANATICAL "MY GODS BIGGER THAN YOUR GOD" 
ASSWIPE RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS. RELIGION BREEDS THIS SHIT, THE HATE.
DON'T CLAIM YOUR VICTORY BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN BEGUN TO FIGHT.
YOU MAY NOW KILL THE ONE AT YOUR CONVINIENCE...BUT I STILL LOVE 
YOU.

Were kickin your ass now. Long live the northern alliance, and 
long live the coalition.

The religion of ISLAM, is one of tolerance and peace.  

Osama, du Superdreckschwein!!! Du bist der Grausamste Terrorist 
aller Zeiten!!! Dich muss man bei Lebendigem Leibe schlachten!!!
Du bist eine Riesige Pest f r den Islam und f r die ganze 
Welt!!!!!!! Auf dich m ssen Tausende Kotzen, Osama!!! Deinen Tod 
w rden wir Riesig feiern auf der ganzen Welt!!!

It is so good to see so many of your people carrying American 
Flags, even though they cannot count correctly. There are 13 
stripes and 50 stars. But the effort that they put forth into 
creating their flags is heartwarming. And when they burn the 
flag, well don't ya know, we do the same thing here with our 
flags that are tattered and torn. It is a way we say "So long my 
faithful and beautiful friend, you glorious Red, White, and Blue 
banner, you symbol of the love of freedpm and peace".....what an 
honor your people are doing for the U. S. flag.  

Attention all allah worshipers--a new god has been installed for 
you. His name is George W. Bush, but you will address him 
as "THE GREAT STUD FROM THE WEST, WHOM I LOVE THE BEST". If that 
is too much for you goat cock suckers to remember, just call 
him "DADDY". The next airdrop for the taliban will be photos of 
your new Daddy`s feet, and you will kiss the picture no less 
than 4 times each day that you are alive. the entire taliban 
must place all your worldly belongings into a shoe box[which you 
don`t have,DADDY will provide one] and this will be your 
offering for the GREAT STUD. Your brave leader,who hides in a 
cave while the rest of you die, must kiss THE GREAT STUD right 
in the asscrack while singing American gospel songs. He must 
also have "I love my new Daddy" tattooed on his forehead. He 
must also open the koran and shit in it on worldwide t.v., to 
show THE GREAT STUD his love for him. More directives will 
follow.

How can one solitary man from the dusty hills
hold the entire developed world by the balls and 
swing them around.
Alright for Bin Laden!

No one man in history (American, Brit or Jew) can claim this 
deed.

ONE man fucked americas arse, and what a big hole it was.

Seems like there is room for more fucking.

Live in fear you bastards.

Long Live the USA
Long live President Bush
Long live our Allies
LONG LIVE FREEDOM!!

THE MANGY CUR ISLAMIC DOGS PISSED ON THE WRONG FUCKING "BUSH".

He is a fucking Bush alright, but your mother is the dog... 
oooops!! sorry, Your Mother Is the BITCH!!! ah.. that's better.

We send them food, then we bomb them. I am an American and i 
back the pres all the way, but if were going to send them food 
and aid, and then bomb them i can see why they would think we 
were evil. I would hate any country that helped us on one 
account and killed us on another. If they want to live in the 
desert let them starve. We should either help or hurt not both. 
Hey Mr Taliban, taly this, daylight goes and your country blow 
up. When your country gets carpet bombed enough maybe you will 
consider peace as an alternative, then again if i lived in a 
cave in the desert I wouldn't want to live either. Just consider 
that the more food we give the stronger they can be, we should 
cut them off. Hey that's just my opinion I could be wrong

Peace..

Kiss kiss...

You missed me you missed me, u didnt even touch me.

Keep trying. Good Luck.

Kiss Kiss.

lol

You want to die for your cause Osama? Do you really want to die 
for your cause? The come out of your rat hole and die like a 
man. Dont send the ignorant, the un-educated, and the weak 
minded to do your dirty work. Come out of your rat hole and die 
like a man, or at least fight like a man. But then, you are the 
"Mother of all cowards". You and the insideous other rat hole 
dweller, Saadam Hussein.   The "Mothers of all cowards". Yeah, 
thats what you are. 

You pussy. I'll kick yer boney ass my-own self. You aren't 
smart, you aren't tough and you sure as hell are an ugly fucker. 
Come on and try to fight me. You can even use a box cutter! You 
pathetic piece of shit. I'll feed you your own balls... oh 
yeah... you ain't got any! That must be why you don't like to 
look at women. Maybe you should put a bag over YOUR head. Better 
yet, let me do it!

who`s shoveling rubble now, you pieces of goat shit? You are a 
disease that must be wiped off the face of the earth and THE 
GREAT STUD FROM THE WEST is going to do just that. And Osalami-
sucking bin laden is on the list and he can`t hide forever--I 
hope he is killed while sucking a wet fart from a goat`s ass. I 
shit on the koran and wipe my hairy American ass on osama`s ugly 
fucking beard...I want your children to die first so you can 
watch the future haters of America roast alive. You slimy fucks 
have NOTHING and when the GREAT STUD is done, you`ll have less. 
And no, its too late for you to bow to the GREAT STUD and beg 
forgiveness; all you`ll get when you bend over now is a cruise 
missle up your ass.

Dear Satin Bin Ladin and friends;
   Howdy, its Freedom again. 
   Wow, I really slept good last night. Isn't it TIME for you to 
sleep about now? Oh, sorry its hard to sleep with all that noise 
outside and the dust coming down on your face. Ah, and I almost 
forgot that you have absolutely no control over sleepy-time or 
wakey-time or loud noise time. 
   Our friends aren't ready for you just yet. They want you to 
run like the dog you are for a little while. You know, like a 
common criminal/fugitive.
   The studs Blair and Bush are just making a little noise for 
the pussy Bin Ladin. Hey, the leaflets being dropped on your rag-
tag pussy army have pictures on them cause we know your boys 
can't read. 
   We look forward to your next chicken shit little stunt. Bring 
it on Satin Bin Ladin. 
   Goodbye and remember Satin won't give you a reach around 
while he's pounding you.
Freedom

Hey Osama, \

I don't know why we are fucking about dropping a few 
firecrackers on the shit heap you call Afganistan.

I'D FUCKING NUKE THE LOT OF YOU WORTHLESS SHITS

now, america, you earn what you seed. it will be your secound 
vietnam. there are a lot of people who never forget what the 
americans have done to all the people in the world, for example 
germany, japan ,north korea, vietnam and irak. to all islamic 
people in the world : YOU ALSO HAVE FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS IN THE
IMPERIALISTIC NATIONS           !! GO DIE AMERICA !!

Where coming cock sucker

Remember! Our lines always deliver you directly to your office!!!

Me parece terrible lo que esta pasando. me gustaria poder 
construir otro mundo. donde no haya USA, ni Ben Ladem, ni 
violencia injusta en nombre de cualquier injusto. Nosotros todos 
somos victimas de esta circunstancia, victimas de un mundo loco 
y antihumano. 
Dios nos hecho del paraiso y nos mando al infierno.
Que la PAZ SEA CON TODOS NOSOTROS. 
QUE LA INJUSTICIA NO NOS SIGA UTILIZANDO
PARA MATAR HERMANOS.

NUESTRAS VIDAS SON RIOS Y TODOS LOS RIOS SON DE LLUVIA Y VAN A 
LA MAR, SIN EXCEPCIONES

DIE - I HATE YOU ALL. ATTACKING OUR HOME AND OUR BUILDINGS IS AN 
ACT OF STUPIDITY. IVE NEVER THOUGHT IDE STAND UP FOR MY COUNTRY 
BUT I JOINED THE US ARMY FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY. I 
WILL KILL AS MANY OF LADENS FOLLOWERS AS POSSIBLE. IF I DIE IN 
THE PROCESS IT WILL BE OK CUZ THERES 1 OF ME AND I PROMISE I 
WILL KILL AS MANY FUCKED UP FOREIGNERS AS I CAN. 

Its idolitry to call rock and dirt a holy place.  for god spoke 
against this. it is his law, for the earth is defiled by the 
first rebelion of the angles and cannot be holy. it is the 
presence of god in the presence of one faithful that is holy and 
a Martyrd is only a one when he dies at the hand of the enemy of 
god and does so rather than deny or forsake his god not to slay 
the enemy but if the enemy loves his rock for loves not god then 
take and break his rock so he will know god if the devil loves 
gold spoil it for him but don't slay the innocent for then you 
serve the one you claim to fight. confuse his speech take and 
destroy his wealth so that he will seek god and be your brother. 
for when you slay the innocent you will only weaken your cause 
with god and give the enemy a thing against you, instead of him 
coming to god it will be you that embraces the evil you detest. 
may god reach you all and drowned out the lies from the enemy 
that tries to use us all for he loves no man and speaks against 
us all.

10/08/2001 :  

Iraq's Saddam Says U.S. Strikes In Afghanastan Good 
Thing, As Long As
Osama Bin Laden Is Killed Before He Fingers Me.   


Saddam Hussein regime said on Sunday U.S. military 
strikes on Afghanistan would be benificial to him as long as 
bin Laden is terminated before he blabs about me. The 
world might get mad at me because of my involment with 
the 9/11/01 attacks last month.

``That would only lead to more attacks on Baghdad and 
America might increase the use of force to include other 
countries,'' Saddam said after convening an emergency 
meeting of his inner bathroom.

``My bunker needs further reinforcements made before such 
attacks begin.
 If only I believed in Alah or some higher power other than 
myself, I too would pray. But I'm not into praying to myself. 
The stupid Afghanistan leaders and its faithful people 
should pray to me if they really want a true God'' the 
president said in a statement.

The United States bombed bases, airports and guerrilla 
training camps across Afghanistan on Sunday, plunging 
Kabul into darkness and panic but leaving Osama bin 
Laden (in his soiled underwear) and the ruling Taliban's 
leader reportedly unscathed.

Saddam said earlier that Iraq, which the United States 
regards as a ``sponsor of terrorism,'' knows who was 
behind last month's attacks, which killed thousands and 
prompted retaliation on Afghanistan.

Washington has not ruled out strikes against other states it 
accuses of supporting ``terrorism.'' 

Source:BAGHDAD (Reuters) 

for example 
germany, japan ,north korea, vietnam and irak. to all ...

Man, what are you talking about! Attack on Germany was against 
hitlers agression to take over the world. The attack on Japan 
was retaliation for Pearl Harbor and to END WWI. The attack on 
North Korea was to prevent them from taking over south 
korea.....EVERYTHING YOU'VE MENTIONED was to protect lives...to 
defend freedom...IN RESPONSE TO AN AGGRESSION...Not an initiated 
attack. The US has NEVER initiated an attack, OR fired the first 
shot...but YOU...BUTTHEAD...don't want to be on the receiving 
end of a response...

To everyone who is suffering my heart goes out to you, but as 
Americans we cannot give into hate.  We should learn from what 
has happend to not take life for granted because life can change 
at any second.  And I personaly believe that the people calling 
someone a sand n***** or a camel Jockey are terrorists 
themselves.  Think about it.  What is your point that you are 
prooving? Your prooving nothing but hate.  Because a few make 
wrong decisions should all suffer?  If we give into hate Bin 
Laden has won.  We as a nation must unite, we must all come 
together as one.  Then and only then can we be a nation of peace.

I cannot undrstand till this moment , what is going on, I went 
to the site "www.guardian.co.com" and checked the four flights 
list of passengers ,the flight united 93 (crew 7, passengers 
38),and the American Airlines 11 (crew 11, passengers 81), the 
American Airlines 77 (crew 6, passengers 58) and the United 
175   (crew 9 , passengers 56).
 On the same site , names and photos of suspects 19 persons.
 The strange thing is I could not identify any name in the lists 
of four plans related to the names of suspects.
  where the names of hijackers within these lists?
 On the other hand , The UK still protecting a man called abo 
Hamza el masry, one well known leader of egyptian Gihad 
terrorism organizations this idiot still speaking on behalf of 
islam and threating , you can find what he said on same site.
 Also a terrorist called Ayman el zawahery the so called the 
second man after ben laden in the organization.He is stationed 
in london ,protected by UK laws, no one touched him.
Now the so called Ben laden is speaking about the palistanian 
case , pretending that he is fighting for the palistanian 
rights!, while when the palistanians were in need of such 
support he did not issue a single word , he was bussy fighting 
the soviets in Afganestan on behalf of the CIA.
  The US media is making him a hero, while he is a lousy agent 
and does not deserve all that fuss about him.He does not even 
know what Islam is.
 If the US wants to punish an ex-agent like benladen , it is her 
own job, why involving the whole world in such process, why in 
same time , to cover the failier of the US inteligence 
activities, instead of court marchaling the responsible of that 
failier, they are now sending missiles with value of bilions of  
US$ to attack viligers and innocent civilians , who will pay 
that cost , the tax payers? 
what they will got in return? real security, or it is "just 
calming the mob dowen" policy of the third world governments?
 is that democracy?
  Gentelmen, the investigation just started , not finished yet, 
US adminstration launched its missiles and propaganda aginst 
Benladen .If what  said about that benladen  is 50% true, he 
could be a genius,then it is better to contract him as the 
president of the CIA , at least it will coast the tax payers 
less and will achieve security to them.

reader-it is obvious to me and anyone else who read your 
comments that you are a fucking moron--`nuff said

Sorry 
     my comments are not for you, it is for wise men , but those 
who use their asses for thinking cannot understand it.

Everyone who has posted on this board in hate or anger... 
everyone who has been a horrible ambassador for America... be 
ashamed.  If we become the hate that we oppose, then how can we 
fight on the side of justice.  Just because a few cowards are 
unjustly using Islam as their defense, it does not mean all 
Muslims are evil.  Just as the KKK is evil, all Christians are 
not bad people.  The Taliban is evil, but Muslims are generally 
not.  Do not spread anger and fear.  Do not retaliate with words 
of hatred.  Embrace your brothers and sisters around the world, 
and love everyone.  May God have mercy on everyone, and help all 
of his sons and daughters to live in peace.

You are right, susie, they shouldn`t be called sand niggers 
because that`s above what they are. And the hate will go away 
when they are all DEAD! We WERE living in peace until those goat-
fucking, camel cock-sucking piles of soupy dog shit 
motherfuckers killed 6000 Americans! So FUCK YOU and your peace-
preaching--I want WAR and plenty of it until ALL the islamic 
fucks are maggot food. THEN there will be peace.

Bin Laden is getting heat for actions others pushed him to do. 
He is a puppet to take the fall while others get rich . If the 
Taliban and Bin Laden made this much money why didn't he fulfill 
the prophecy... Saving Muslims from oppression... poverty... 
disease... Instead he uses the fact these people are poor and 
can take advantage of their minds just like pimps feed on drug 
addicted homeless girls. Their main export is HEROIN. Where is 
the money going. I'll tell you Bin Ladens 2001 Toyota Tundra he 
gets driven in, not to that little girl who needs a flu shot 
desperately. Bin Laden is like Hitler. FACE IT!

THE NEWS SAYS THAT WE ARE BOMBING AFGANISTAN AND SENDING FOOD 
TO THE INNOCENT.....WRONG. WE ARE BLOWING THE SHIT OUT OF 
AFGANISTAN AND WE ARE SENDING CANS OF YELLOW PAINT BECAUSE WHEN 
WE GET DONE FIRING CRUISE MISSILES UP BIN LADENS ASS ALL THATS 
GOING TO BE LEFT OF AFGANISTAN IS GOING TO BE A BIG ASS PARKING 
LOT.

The Battle That Started The Century

On a summers day of the year 2001 a vast crowd of heartfelt 
spectators were present amidst
the horrible ruins of the World Trade Center, around its 
former site in New York, to witness that encounter, which 
was initiated by the Terror of the East, to be won by the 
Champions of the West.

Two-Gun Bin, the Terror of the East, and Knockout George, 
the Wild Wolf of the West.

The gong was sounded at 39 o'clock. after which the air 
grew red and the ground it did rock,
Very shortly the first actual damage occured, but osama was 
hiding, he had lost his nerve. Never the less the mighty 
Texas military machine, proved to the Taliban that "they too 
can bleed".
One climax came in wave number five, when the Texas 
Tearer's cruise missles were set to live.
Then things begain to really get rough; several ears and 
appurtenances missing, thats tuff.
So goes it as it is on this day, to kill Two-Gun Bin, and all in 
our way.  

***** THE MESSAGE THAT FOLLOWS IS REPOSTOED FROM ME FOR SHOWING 
IT TO EVERYBODY BEFORE OF MY REPLY ****
----------------------------------------------------------------
From: Cool / John / good thinker
To: U.S. THE TERRORIST 
Subject: ENOUGH 
Date: Tue Oct 2 02:32:20 2001 
Message:
I know this is long, but I assure u, after reading this u will 
change your
minds. This is for all the ppl I have already argued with and 
ppl I WILL
argue with in the future. These are my facts, my 
backup "statements".

This goes out to all who are brainwashed by the media....


U.S. Is Guilty!
What happened to the victims is bad, really bad, the innocent
ones...but...
"Why would anyone want to bomb America?"
"How could someone do this to us?"
"Why would anyone want to hurt us?"
"Why is there so much hatred against the U.S.?"
So many Americans are crying out these words today.
The question being consistently asked is who is responsible. Who 
is
most likely
to have a motive. How about I be like the regular gung-ho 
American
and
say...."No one should hate the freedom loving America that I live
in!"
Let's start a list of regions which I -as a typical brain washed
American-
would not think have justified motives to hate America, and 
commit
acts of
terror the like of which took place on September 11th. That way
we'll clear
suspicion from all the nations and races on this earth who don't
have the right
to hate America, and only be left with the likely suspects. 
Puerto
Rico has no
motive to hate America,....oh shoot, I forgot they're fighting 
for
their
independence from their colonizers, the U.S., countless 
atrocities
and accounts
of U.S. military brutality are coming out of that island every 
day.
Hmm.......well, Iraq has no reason to hate America........oh 
shoot,
I forgot,
they were after all bombed for a decade by the U.S. So they do 
have
a motive.
Hmmmm......Two million of their children have died from economic
embargoes
which are starving the country to death right now, they also had
uranium coded
bombs dropped on them (a form of nuclear warfare) and of course 
who
can forget
the bombardment of missiles and bombs which killed one hundred
thousand people
in Iraq.

Shoot! The list is not getting any shorter, nobody so far is 
being
eliminated
from the list.

Maybe Palestine is U.S. friendly,....well, then again, they are
being
slaughtered by an American funded and backed Israeli military, 
3.4
million
Palestinians are still displaced and fifty thousand Palestinians
have been
killed since the U.S. gave Israel the license to inaugurate the
apartheid
regime they are administering right now.

Well, on to Africa,......Africa should love the U.S...oh wait, 
maybe
not, they
enslaved pretty much the entire western coast of the African
continent. Numbers
of killed and enslaved are in the vicinity (according to some
historical
scholars) to be at the fifteen million mark, some say 
more,.....the
transatlantic slave trade makes Africa a suspect as 
well.....dammit!
The list
of suspects is not going down at all.

Oh, I know! I got it! Japan! They seem to have no problem with 
the
United
States. The United States most populated foreign army base(s) 
are in
Japan........Oh man! I just remembered Hiroshima and Nagasaki! 
The
only country
in the history of the world to detonate nuclear bombs on 
civilians
(deliberately) is the U.S. It dropped two of them, killing three
hundred and
fifty thousand people in Japan. The radiation is still causing
cancer in Japan
today. Therefore Japan definitely has a justified motive to 
attack
America.

Cubans must love America, why else would scores of Cubans escape 
the
communist
country and head for Miami, remember Elian? finally my first
elimination. Oh
no, Cuba is still a suspect. It's motive is justified because, 
well,
simply,
America's economic sanctions on that country have had a 
completely
debilitating
effect on it's people, who now have to live on rations of food.

How about Iran? No, the U.S. CIA pushed and funded Sadaam Hussein
murderous
army to go and fight it's neighbor. The Iraqi flown American jets
and bombers
contributed to the one million deaths from that war with Iran. By
the way boys
and girls, they're still finding bodies from that war.

Afghanistan? Bombed by the U.S. (When was the last time Afghani
planes bombed
America?)

Sudan? Bombed by the U.S.

Pakistan? Bombed by the U.S. (supposedly by accident)

Libya? Bombed by the U.S.

Bosnia? Hell no! The U.S. prevented Bosnians from defending
themselves against
rape/torture-hungry, trigger happy Serbs by imposing a lopsided 
arms
embargo on
the Bosnian Muslims.

Algeria? Hell never. The U.S. supports the French backed military
dictatorship
which commenced after the botched democratic elections in which 
the
Islamic
party was winning by a land slide!

Vietnam? Oh please, don't make me laugh. They burned all the 
faces,
jungles,
and houses of that country Eight hundred thousand Vietnamese were
killed.

North Korea? Half a million killed by the U.S.

Perhaps the only place in this world which doesn't have a 
justified
motive to
hate America is America itself. Wait! Don't forget about 
the "Red"
Indians, the
natives, the indigenous, the aboriginal,no matter how politically
correct the
U.S. government has tried to make it's vocabulary, it still 
doesn't
wipe out
the fact that the natives were completely wiped out. Yesterday,
before Columbus
the butcher came to the west, there were twenty five million 
natives
in North
America, today, there are a little more than five million. Where 
did
twenty
million natives go?!?!? It's as if the American government (at 
least
for a
while) believed that the only good Indian was a dead Indian.

Maybe Cambodia and Laos? No, the U.S mined and bombed those 
places
so much that
they caused the death of a million and people in that part of the
world are
still losing limbs due to left over mines.

It seems that there is no land on this earth which was left
unscathed by
America,.....wait there's hope, what about the oceans.....no, 
they
polluted the
hell out of those oceans.

UNCLE SAM IS A MURDERER! And then Uncle Sam has the audacity to 
feel
shocked at
the falling of TWO buildings in downtown Manhattan. The Nerve to 
be
surprised.?!?!??!

WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?

Every inch on the face of this earth has the right to hate 
America.
You enslave all of Africa, nuke Japan, bomb and burn Iraq, Libya,
Sudan,
Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam, North Korea, Laos and Cambodia, 
you
commit
large scale genocide on the natives of this continent, you 
pollute
the entire
world, you support and finance tyrannical governments from 
Israel to
Saudi
Arabia, you divide and conquer, you starve to death the entire 
world
-35 000
children die every day due to hunger because of U.S. foreign
economic policy-
by putting them into debts with excruciatingly high interest
rates?!?!?! And
then you ask WHY YOU ARE HATED!

SHUT UP BUSH!!!! Listen America-

Now you know what Iraq feels like day and night, what Chechnya 
feels
like day
and night, what Bosnia felt like day and night, what Vietnam felt
like day and
night, what Cambodia felt like day and night, what Laos felt like
day and
night, what North Korea felt like day and night! ALL BECAUSE OF
YOU!!! Now You
know the fear that you put the natives through day and night, now
you know the
terror of the slave sleeping in the barn house, now you know the
hell of all
the fires you caused in Hiroshima and Nagasaki you DOG! you PIG!!

That's the dumbest question I've ever heard, "Why would anyone 
want
to do this
to freedom loving America?"

"Freedom loving America" jails one out of every four black men,
freedom loving
America harbors the worlds largest jailed population, (2 million
prisoners out
the worlds 8 million, a quarter of the incarcerated world is in 
the
U.S.), over
half of your two million inmates are in there for non violent
crimes,...so what
are they in there for? Remember Rome was not made into the power
that it was
from peaceful and diplomatic measures, it climbed to the top by
jailing and
killing all those who opposed it -and as it stands, there are 
still
black
panthers in jail today. More African Americans in the U.S. are
killed every
year, than the number of Africans that were killed on a yearly 
bases
in
apartheid South Africa.

Why would the Muslims hate you? In addition to the obvious 
reasons
stated
above, our very first continental leader El-Hajj-Malik El-Shabbaz
a.k.a.
Malcolm X was shot down 21 times in the freedom loving New York. 
The
FBI was
involved, as one of the guns used by one of the assassins was 
found
to be
supplied to him by an FBI agent, (he was caught and convicted).
So who are the usual suspects, despite the fact that the entire
world has the
right to hate America? the Muslims,.......interesting to note is 
the
fact that
in 1994 there were over two hundred terrorist attacks on U.S.
targets world
wide. Over a hundred were in Latin America (a predominantly 
Catholic
place),
only eight were in the middle east.

Who's the real coward? The one who sits two hundred miles off the
coast of
Saudi Arabia, pushing buttons to shoot missiles at Iraqi targets 
on
a radar, or
the Palestinian kids who throws pebbles and rocks in the face of
American
bought Israeli machine guns.

Don't be fooled by Hollywood movies made on behalf of U.S. 
interests
like the
Seige. On the scales of justice, America is overwhelmingly 
guilty of
being the
biggest global terrorist.

This qualifies the U.S. military to be a justified target for the
entire world
to destroy.

The righteous Muslims, as well as all non-Muslim people who hate
tyrrany and
oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long time ago. The Muslim
world should
first unite, then attack America, (it's military, not it's 
people).
Don't be brainwashed, Islam does not sanction the slaughter of
innocent
civilians, however the pentagon, the infamous building from which
U.S. colonial
interests and attacks are planned world wide is a legitimate 
target
of war.
-All vendors, janitors etc. in the pentagon who died are also
innocent, but
again, ultimate blame rests with the master provoker, the U.S.

And this is the demonstration of how stupid are the reasons of 
anti-American
hatred. As you are going to see soon, no inch of this planet has 
any right 
to hate America but for questionable, or right stupid, or non 
present, 
reasons. I think you and your fonts are VERY biased and non 
objective. Uncle 
Sam was often a killer, but almost never an assassin. Follows 
why. 

You call EVERY  U.S. military intervention "terrorism". With the 
common use 
of this word, military actions for legitimate purposes are not 
called like 
this. It's as if you (and many others) don't know the difference 
between war 
and terrorism.
You also recall historical events of the 19th century, like the 
war against 
native-Americans and the niger slaves trade, for blaming the 
today's  U.S.A..
The worst thing is that you're saying something like: "such 
country was 
bombed by Americans, then it does have a reason to hate them, 
too"; and like:
"Americans bombed Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, 
Japan, Vietnam, 
North Korea, Laos and Cambodia and therefore they are 
assassins". 

                    YOU DO THINK LIKE AN IDIOT.
                    ===========================

You don't wont to consider, 
WHY they bombed Iraq, 
WHY they bombed Lybia, 
WHY they decided to nuke Japan, 
WHY they bombed Sudan, 
WHY they fought againsts communismus all over the world, 
etceter. 
Because they were bad, or bored? 
You do even know, that Iraq was military attacked because of 
Kuwait invasion
and because Saddam Hussein was trying to manifacture chemical 
weapons; 
that the crisis with Lybia was caused from Gheddafi's terrorist 
attacks in 
Germany (e.g. a bomb in a discoteque in Berlin, many boys and 
girls dead or 
maimed "for the Arab case", as Gheddafi said); 
that the Sudan was bombed because manifacturing toxic chemical 
substances 
for Bin Laden's terrorist attacks; 
that Afghan was bombed as retaliation for Bin Laden's terrorist 
attacks 
against american embassys and an U.S. navy unit; 
that when Japan, Vietnam, North Corea and Cambodia were bombed 
they were in 
war with the U.S.A.; 
that about Algeria you piece of idiot shouldn't even talk, after 
the 
incredible and barbarous atrocities the GIA did (or is still 
doing) same to 
other Arab people there, in the name of Allah (as usual);
that, about IRAN, the U.S.A. had their reasons for hating 
Khomeini's regime
after the coward attack to the American Teheran's embassy, and 
that's why 
they supported Iraq in it's war against Iran;
that, about Cuba, the O.N.U. enforced the economical sanctions 
for their
anti-democratic communist regime, for witch is responsible Fidel 
Castro;
that, about Iraq, if "two million of their children have died 
from economic 
embargoes which are starving the country to death right now" 
it's Saddam 
Hussain guilty because he's refusing right now to show his 
factories to the 
O.N.U. inspectors - and himself doesn't give a damn for Iraqi 
dying children, 
the power to threaten all the world with chemical or atomic 
weapons is for 
him more important, as it looks like; 
that, still about Iraq, many Arab civilians died because Saddam 
Hussain used 
them as hostages for protecting his possible targets of bombings.

Then is THIS your thinking way, good thinker?? By forgetting 
those important 
elements you don't want to know?? It's easy, thinking like this. 
It's easy, 
thinking: "Americans are the ferocious assassins of the world, 
and Islamic 
people are all quite innocent and rightous!". 
You are "a typical self-brainwashed American". 
An intelligent and right person uses his brain to objectively 
discriminating 
right from unright things, and AFTER THAT hates unright things. 
All stupid 
people in the world (like you) just use their brain for finding 
the way to 
illuse themselves that their hatreds are justified, anyway and 
at every cost.
Before calling yourself "good thinker" you'd better learn and 
apply some 
concepts like logic and objectivity. 

And it's useless that you blame the Americans for Israel's 
military actions.
We're talking about the U.S.A., now. Even if the U.S.A. support 
them, 
Israelians act autonomously, and anyway either for their direct 
survival, 
or for (eternal and reciprocal) retailiations against Arab 
terrorist attacks
to them.

It's to observe as well what follows.
About the chasing away and the extermination of many native 
Americans (that 
as far as I know were about one million and not 25 million), and 
about the 
niger slaves trade, these obviously were giant crimes, but at 
least they're 
generally admitted as such, now.
About Japan, the atomic bombs were a very tragical and extreme 
way to end 
the 2nd ww, but on the other hand a direct assault to Okinawa 
would have 
caused the death of maybe more people. 
About the bombings in Vietnam, Americans acted with a very heavy 
hand; and 
the same did the CIA by supporting dictatorships in Latin-
American countries 
(e.g. in the overthrowing of Allende's regime, etc.); but they 
also had to 
do with another dirty play, the one of the Soviet Union, and 
with the mighty 
threat of communismus.
About the interests U.S.A. demands on loans to countries, it's 
useless to 
blame the U.S.A. for such a "demand", since those conditions 
have been 
accepted from loan-contracting countries (that have benefitted 
from such 
loans anyway).
About American colonialismus, the colonial age is finished since 
a long time.
About the "over hundred terrorist attacks on U.S. targets" that 
were in 1994 
in Latin America, it's strange that the media didn't talk; 
anyway, likely 
they will be a consequence of the past CIA operations about 
which I just told.
About pollution in general, you do know that guilty is the whole 
world. 
About the production in the athmospere of ozone-spoiling gas, if 
Americans 
are the prime responsible of it, they should indeed have to 
answer for.
About Malcolm X' murder, it was a political crime, for which the 
then 
responsibles should have had to answer, too.
And for this do Americans deserve to get "destroyed"??

You aren't considering, then, that America also lost MILLIONS of 
soldiers by 
fighting against the great nationalisms - do you understand? 
MILLIONS of 
soldiers - in two world wars; 
that since the end of 2nd world war U.S.A. contrasted 
communismus all over
the world;
that they intervened in Yugoslavy against the Serbs in favour of 
(Muslim) 
Serbo-Bosnians because of pure justice and humanitary reasons - 
what O.N.U.
and European community did never make the decision to do - and 
later in 
favour of (Muslim) Albaneses, for the same reasons;
that U.S.A. are making NO terrorist attacks, but only 
interventions as 
retaliations to them or for preventing them;
that in their military interventions, Americans are usually 
trying to hit as 
few as possible civilians of the attacked countrys, unlike the 
Islamic 
terrorists that right want to kill as many as possible of them;
that in America's churchs no anti-Arab or anti-Muslim hatred is 
preached, 
unlike the mosquis of all Islamic countries, in which the U.S.A. 
are referred
to as "the enemy of all Islam" and "the great Satan".
That's why people can't understand the reasons of such an anti-
American 
hatred by Muslim countries, you fool. 
And OF COURSE Americans are now asking why they are hated, why??

If you want to criticise so much about freedom in America, then 
compare the 
American freedom and democracy, with freedom and democracy in 
Islam, in 
Islamic culture and mentality.
Yes, America harbors the worlds largest jailed population, 2 
million 
prisoners. Oh, Afghanistan e.g. doesn't have such a big problem 
at all. They 
sentence prisoners so quickly to death. By hanging or throat-
cutting... 
But maybe you prefer THAT culture, don't you? - Well, at least 
they don't 
tell to be so freedom lovers.... 
(By the way, if you hate U.S.A. so much, if you don't believe at 
all in the 
American freedom or in the idea that America wants to have about 
itself, if 
you even think America should have to get destroyed, if you 
think there you 
get brain-washed by the media, well why do you stay there?)

Besides, if you're so convincted that the whole world has real 
reasons for 
hating america, did you wonder why are now getting posted many 
messages here
condamning Osama Bin Laden, or in favour of American victims of 
terrorism, 
from all over the world, and in many languages? Why even some 
Muslims are 
condamning last terrorist attacks? Why  ALL countries - even 
Islamic ones, 
even Russia and China - but Afghanistan, either are on the side 
of Bush or 
have taken a distance from Bin Ladin? Why self many Afghanistan 
people - 
surely most people, if we consider also Afghan women - are 
against taliban
terrorists?

And do you know what is a real coward, you pig? For example, the 
one who sits 
two hundred miles off the coast of Saudi Arabia, pushing buttons 
to shoot 
missiles at an Iraqi target is NOT a coward, if this target is a 
mad murderer;
while the one who orders a slaughter - that is no retaliation 
for anything 
similar - of thousands of office workers and some tourists, and 
after that 
celebrates the happy outcome of his action along with his 
friends, and then
even says it wasn't he, that is a BIG coward.

Still, you said a lot of foolish things in your message - always 
as "obvious 
reasons" for the anti-american hatred. Even "countless 
atrocities and 
accounts of U.S. military brutality are coming out of that 
island (Puerto
Rico) every day"?? I asked a history teacher (in the school 
where I work) 
and looked for this question in two enciclopaedyas; nobody had 
heard about 
such "facts", and I've found no confirmation of such every day 
coming out 
countless atrocities. (October 1950 there was, yes, a revolt for 
independence
from U.S.A. that ended in blood, but on the other side, short 
later a 
complete indipendence was proposed by Americans but 11-27-1953 a 
popular 
referendum in Puerto Rico refused it).
About native Americans, instead, I've found out that in the 
territory now 
occpied by the U.S.A. they were about one million before 
American pioneers' 
arrival, while you said that they were 25 million and let 
understand that 
Americans would have committed a giant massacre of 20 million of 
Indian 
Americans. In addition, you idiot said Indian American 
were "completely wiped 
out" (?).
You wrote that 35,000 children die "every day" due to hunger 
because of U.S. 
foreign economic policy. I.e. 12,775,000 every year. (Let's 
imagine that!)
You wrote "The righteous Muslims, as well as all non-Muslim 
people who hate 
tyrrany and oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long time 
ago.". Well, the
only one who declared war on the U.S. a long time ago is Bin 
Laden, who 
represents all the worst Muslims in the world. 
You are capable to call "tyranny and oppression" even the war 
Americans make 
to Islamic terrorism.
About war in Bosnia you were capable to say that the 
U.S.A. "imposed a 
lopsided arms embargo on the Bosnian Muslims", when it was 
imposed by O.N.U. 
and on both parts, and the U.S.A. rather intervened right in 
favour of
Bosnians.
YOU ALSO USE EXAGERATIONS AND FAKE INFORMATION for illusing 
yourselves to 
rationalise your big anti-American hatred. You and many others 
in this board
want at every cost see and let believe that Americans are 
absolute and 
ruthless slaughterers, and are only that. And after the recent 
terrisist 
attacks you even allow yourself to say "the U.S.A. are a 
justified target for
the entire world to destroy" - for such stupid or invented 
reasons?. YOU AND 
ALL THOSE LIKE YOU MUST FEEL ASHAMED of being so mean and 
unright. You are  
stupids and truth-reversing scoundrels. With those like you, 
people can reason
no way. People can just speak the only language you can 
understand: the 
one of war and of death.

And this is the demonstration of how stupid are the reasons of 
anti-American
hatred. As you are going to see soon, no inch of this planet has 
any right 
to hate America but for questionable, or right stupid, or non 
present, 
reasons. I think you and your fonts are VERY biased and non 
objective. Uncle 
Sam was often a killer, but almost never an assassin. Follows 
why. 

You call EVERY  U.S. military intervention "terrorism". With the 
common use 
of this word, military actions for legitimate purposes are not 
called like 
this. It's as if you (and many others) don't know the difference 
between war 
and terrorism.
You also recall historical events of the 19th century, like the 
war against 
native-Americans and the niger slaves trade, for blaming the 
today's  U.S.A..
The worst thing is that you're saying something like: "such 
country was 
bombed by Americans, then it does have a reason to hate them, 
too"; and like:
"Americans bombed Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, 
Japan, Vietnam, 
North Korea, Laos and Cambodia and therefore they are 
assassins". 

                    YOU DO THINK LIKE AN IDIOT.
                    ===========================

You don't wont to consider, 
WHY they bombed Iraq, 
WHY they bombed Lybia, 
WHY they decided to nuke Japan, 
WHY they bombed Sudan, 
WHY they fought againsts communismus all over the world, 
etceter. 
Because they were bad, or bored? 
You do even know, that Iraq was military attacked because of 
Kuwait invasion
and because Saddam Hussein was trying to manifacture chemical 
weapons; 
that the crisis with Lybia was caused from Gheddafi's terrorist 
attacks in 
Germany (e.g. a bomb in a discoteque in Berlin, many boys and 
girls dead or 
maimed "for the Arab case", as Gheddafi said); 
that the Sudan was bombed because manifacturing toxic chemical 
substances 
for Bin Laden's terrorist attacks; 
that Afghan was bombed as retaliation for Bin Laden's terrorist 
attacks 
against american embassys and an U.S. navy unit; 
that when Japan, Vietnam, North Corea and Cambodia were bombed 
they were in 
war with the U.S.A.; 
that about Algeria you piece of idiot shouldn't even talk, after 
the 
incredible and barbarous atrocities the GIA did (or is still 
doing) same to 
other Arab people there, in the name of Allah (as usual);
that, about IRAN, the U.S.A. had their reasons for hating 
Khomeini's regime
after the coward attack to the American Teheran's embassy, and 
that's why 
they supported Iraq in it's war against Iran;
that, about Cuba, the O.N.U. enforced the economical sanctions 
for their
anti-democratic communist regime, for witch is responsible Fidel 
Castro;
that, about Iraq, if "two million of their children have died 
from economic 
embargoes which are starving the country to death right now" 
it's Saddam 
Hussain guilty because he's refusing right now to show his 
factories to the 
O.N.U. inspectors - and himself doesn't give a damn for Iraqi 
dying children, 
the power to threaten all the world with chemical or atomic 
weapons is for 
him more important, as it looks like; 
that, still about Iraq, many Arab civilians died because Saddam 
Hussain used 
them as hostages for protecting his possible targets of bombings.

Then is THIS your thinking way, good thinker?? By forgetting 
those important 
elements you don't want to know?? It's easy, thinking like this. 
It's easy, 
thinking: "Americans are the ferocious assassins of the world, 
and Islamic 
people are all quite innocent and rightous!". 
You are "a typical self-brainwashed American". 
An intelligent and right person uses his brain to objectively 
discriminating 
right from unright things, and AFTER THAT hates unright things. 
All stupid 
people in the world (like you) just use their brain for finding 
the way to 
illuse themselves that their hatreds are justified, anyway and 
at every cost.
Before calling yourself "good thinker" you'd better learn and 
apply some 
concepts like logic and objectivity. 

And it's useless that you blame the Americans for Israel's 
military actions.
We're talking about the U.S.A., now. Even if the U.S.A. support 
them, 
Israelians act autonomously, and anyway either for their direct 
survival, 
or for (eternal and reciprocal) retailiations against Arab 
terrorist attacks
to them.

It's to observe as well what follows.
About the chasing away and the extermination of many native 
Americans (that 
as far as I know were about one million and not 25 million), and 
about the 
niger slaves trade, these obviously were giant crimes, but at 
least they're 
generally admitted as such, now.
About Japan, the atomic bombs were a very tragical and extreme 
way to end 
the 2nd ww, but on the other hand a direct assault to Okinawa 
would have 
caused the death of maybe more people. 
About the bombings in Vietnam, Americans acted with a very heavy 
hand; and 
the same did the CIA by supporting dictatorships in Latin-
American countries 
(e.g. in the overthrowing of Allende's regime, etc.); but they 
also had to 
do with another dirty play, the one of the Soviet Union, and 
with the mighty 
threat of communismus.
About the interests U.S.A. demands on loans to countries, it's 
useless to 
blame the U.S.A. for such a "demand", since those conditions 
have been 
accepted from loan-contracting countries (that have benefitted 
from such 
loans anyway).
About American colonialismus, the colonial age is finished since 
a long time.
About the "over hundred terrorist attacks on U.S. targets" that 
were in 1994 
in Latin America, it's strange that the media didn't talk; 
anyway, likely 
they will be a consequence of the past CIA operations about 
which I just told.
About pollution in general, you do know that guilty is the whole 
world. 
About the production in the athmospere of ozone-spoiling gas, if 
Americans 
are the prime responsible of it, they should indeed have to 
answer for.
About Malcolm X' murder, it was a political crime, for which the 
then 
responsibles should have had to answer, too.
And for this do Americans deserve to get "destroyed"??

You aren't considering, then, that America also lost MILLIONS of 
soldiers by 
fighting against the great nationalisms - do you understand? 
MILLIONS of 
soldiers - in two world wars; 
that since the end of 2nd world war U.S.A. contrasted 
communismus all over
the world;
that they intervened in Yugoslavy against the Serbs in favour of 
(Muslim) 
Serbo-Bosnians because of pure justice and humanitary reasons - 
what O.N.U.
and European community did never make the decision to do - and 
later in 
favour of (Muslim) Albaneses, for the same reasons;
that U.S.A. are making NO terrorist attacks, but only 
interventions as 
retaliations to them or for preventing them;
that in their military interventions, Americans are usually 
trying to hit as 
few as possible civilians of the attacked countrys, unlike the 
Islamic 
terrorists that right want to kill as many as possible of them;
that in America's churchs no anti-Arab or anti-Muslim hatred is 
preached, 
unlike the mosquis of all Islamic countries, in which the U.S.A. 
are referred
to as "the enemy of all Islam" and "the great Satan".
That's why people can't understand the reasons of such an anti-
American 
hatred by Muslim countries, you fool. 
And OF COURSE Americans are now asking why they are hated, why??

If you want to criticise so much about freedom in America, then 
compare the 
American freedom and democracy, with freedom and democracy in 
Islam, in 
Islamic culture and mentality.
Yes, America harbors the worlds largest jailed population, 2 
million 
prisoners. Oh, Afghanistan e.g. doesn't have such a big problem 
at all. They 
sentence prisoners so quickly to death. By hanging or throat-
cutting... 
But maybe you prefer THAT culture, don't you? - Well, at least 
they don't 
tell to be so freedom lovers.... 
(By the way, if you hate U.S.A. so much, if you don't believe at 
all in the 
American freedom or in the idea that America wants to have about 
itself, if 
you even think America should have to get destroyed, if you 
think there you 
get brain-washed by the media, well why do you stay there?)

Besides, if you're so convincted that the whole world has real 
reasons for 
hating america, did you wonder why are now getting posted many 
messages here
condamning Osama Bin Laden, or in favour of American victims of 
terrorism, 
from all over the world, and in many languages? Why even some 
Muslims are 
condamning last terrorist attacks? Why  ALL countries - even 
Islamic ones, 
even Russia and China - but Afghanistan, either are on the side 
of Bush or 
have taken a distance from Bin Ladin? Why self many Afghanistan 
people - 
surely most people, if we consider also Afghan women - are 
against taliban
terrorists?

And do you know what is a real coward, you pig? For example, the 
one who sits 
two hundred miles off the coast of Saudi Arabia, pushing buttons 
to shoot 
missiles at an Iraqi target is NOT a coward, if this target is a 
mad murderer;
while the one who orders a slaughter - that is no retaliation 
for anything 
similar - of thousands of office workers and some tourists, and 
after that 
celebrates the happy outcome of his action along with his 
friends, and then
even says it wasn't he, that is a BIG coward.

Still, you said a lot of foolish things in your message - always 
as "obvious 
reasons" for the anti-american hatred. Even "countless 
atrocities and 
accounts of U.S. military brutality are coming out of that 
island (Puerto
Rico) every day"?? I asked a history teacher (in the school 
where I work) 
and looked for this question in two enciclopaedyas; nobody had 
heard about 
such "facts", and I've found no confirmation of such every day 
coming out 
countless atrocities. (October 1950 there was, yes, a revolt for 
independence
from U.S.A. that ended in blood, but on the other side, short 
later a 
complete indipendence was proposed by Americans but 11-27-1953 a 
popular 
referendum in Puerto Rico refused it).
About native Americans, instead, I've found out that in the 
territory now 
occpied by the U.S.A. they were about one million before 
American pioneers' 
arrival, while you said that they were 25 million and let 
understand that 
Americans would have committed a giant massacre of 20 million of 
Indian 
Americans. In addition, you idiot said Indian American 
were "completely wiped 
out" (?).
You wrote that 35,000 children die "every day" due to hunger 
because of U.S. 
foreign economic policy. I.e. 12,775,000 every year. (Let's 
imagine that!)
You wrote "The righteous Muslims, as well as all non-Muslim 
people who hate 
tyrrany and oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long time 
ago.". Well, the
only one who declared war on the U.S. a long time ago is Bin 
Laden, who 
represents all the worst Muslims in the world. 
You are capable to call "tyranny and oppression" even the war 
Americans make 
to Islamic terrorism.
About war in Bosnia you were capable to say that the 
U.S.A. "imposed a 
lopsided arms embargo on the Bosnian Muslims", when it was 
imposed by O.N.U. 
and on both parts, and the U.S.A. rather intervened right in 
favour of
Bosnians.
YOU ALSO USE EXAGERATIONS AND FAKE INFORMATION for illusing 
yourselves to 
rationalise your big anti-American hatred. You and many others 
in this board
want at every cost see and let believe that Americans are 
absolute and 
ruthless slaughterers, and are only that. And after the recent 
terrisist 
attacks you even allow yourself to say "the U.S.A. are a 
justified target for
the entire world to destroy" - for such stupid or invented 
reasons?. YOU AND 
ALL THOSE LIKE YOU MUST FEEL ASHAMED of being so mean and 
unright. You are  
stupids and truth-reversing scoundrels. With those like you, 
people can reason
no way. People can just speak the only language you can 
understand: the 
one of war and of death.

And this is the demonstration of how stupid are the reasons of 
anti-American
hatred. As you are going to see soon, no inch of this planet has 
any right 
to hate America but for questionable, or right stupid, or non 
present, 
reasons. I think you and your fonts are VERY biased and non 
objective. Uncle 
Sam was often a killer, but almost never an assassin. Follows 
why. 

You call EVERY  U.S. military intervention "terrorism". With the 
common use 
of this word, military actions for legitimate purposes are not 
called like 
this. It's as if you (and many others) don't know the difference 
between war 
and terrorism.
You also recall historical events of the 19th century, like the 
war against 
native-Americans and the niger slaves trade, for blaming the 
today's  U.S.A..
The worst thing is that you're saying something like: "such 
country was 
bombed by Americans, then it does have a reason to hate them, 
too"; and like:
"Americans bombed Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, 
Japan, Vietnam, 
North Korea, Laos and Cambodia and therefore they are 
assassins". 

             YOU DO THINK LIKE AN IDIOT.
             ===========================

You don't wont to consider, 
WHY they bombed Iraq, 
WHY they bombed Lybia, 
WHY they decided to nuke Japan, 
WHY they bombed Sudan, 
WHY they fought againsts communismus all over the world, 
etceter. 
Because they were bad, or bored? 
You do even know, that Iraq was military attacked because of 
Kuwait invasion
and because Saddam Hussein was trying to manifacture chemical 
weapons; 
that the crisis with Lybia was caused from Gheddafi's terrorist 
attacks in 
Germany (e.g. a bomb in a discoteque in Berlin, many boys and 
girls dead or 
maimed "for the Arab case", as Gheddafi said); 
that the Sudan was bombed because manifacturing toxic chemical 
substances 
for Bin Laden's terrorist attacks; 
that Afghan was bombed as retaliation for Bin Laden's terrorist 
attacks 
against american embassys and an U.S. navy unit; 
that when Japan, Vietnam, North Corea and Cambodia were bombed 
they were in 
war with the U.S.A.; 
that about Algeria you piece of idiot shouldn't even talk, after 
the 
incredible and barbarous atrocities the GIA did (or is still 
doing) same to 
other Arab people there, in the name of Allah (as usual);
that, about IRAN, the U.S.A. had their reasons for hating 
Khomeini's regime
after the coward attack to the American Teheran's embassy, and 
that's why 
they supported Iraq in it's war against Iran;
that, about Cuba, the O.N.U. enforced the economical sanctions 
for their
anti-democratic communist regime, for witch is responsible Fidel 
Castro;
that, about Iraq, if "two million of their children have died 
from economic 
embargoes which are starving the country to death right now" 
it's Saddam 
Hussain guilty because he's refusing right now to show his 
factories to the 
O.N.U. inspectors - and himself doesn't give a damn for Iraqi 
dying children, 
the power to threaten all the world with chemical or atomic 
weapons is for 
him more important, as it looks like; 
that, still about Iraq, many Arab civilians died because Saddam 
Hussain used 
them as hostages for protecting his possible targets of bombings.

Then is THIS your thinking way, good thinker?? By forgetting 
those important 
elements you don't want to know?? It's easy, thinking like this. 
It's easy, 
thinking: "Americans are the ferocious assassins of the world, 
and Islamic 
people are all quite innocent and rightous!". 
You are "a typical self-brainwashed American". 
An intelligent and right person uses his brain to objectively 
discriminating 
right from unright things, and AFTER THAT hates unright things. 
All stupid 
people in the world (like you) just use their brain for finding 
the way to 
illuse themselves that their hatreds are justified, anyway and 
at every cost.
Before calling yourself "good thinker" you'd better learn and 
apply some 
concepts like logic and objectivity. 

And it's useless that you blame the Americans for Israel's 
military actions.
We're talking about the U.S.A., now. Even if the U.S.A. support 
them, 
Israelians act autonomously, and anyway either for their direct 
survival, 
or for (eternal and reciprocal) retailiations against Arab 
terrorist attacks
to them.

It's to observe as well what follows.
About the chasing away and the extermination of many native 
Americans (that 
as far as I know were about one million and not 25 million), and 
about the 
niger slaves trade, these obviously were giant crimes, but at 
least they're 
generally admitted as such, now.
About Japan, the atomic bombs were a very tragical and extreme 
way to end 
the 2nd ww, but on the other hand a direct assault to Okinawa 
would have 
caused the death of maybe more people. 
About the bombings in Vietnam, Americans acted with a very heavy 
hand; and 
the same did the CIA by supporting dictatorships in Latin-
American countries 
(e.g. in the overthrowing of Allende's regime, etc.); but they 
also had to 
do with another dirty play, the one of the Soviet Union, and 
with the mighty 
threat of communismus.
About the interests U.S.A. demands on loans to countries, it's 
useless to 
blame the U.S.A. for such a "demand", since those conditions 
have been 
accepted from loan-contracting countries (that have benefitted 
from such 
loans anyway).
About American colonialismus, the colonial age is finished since 
a long time.
About the "over hundred terrorist attacks on U.S. targets" that 
were in 1994 
in Latin America, it's strange that the media didn't talk; 
anyway, likely 
they will be a consequence of the past CIA operations about 
which I just told.
About pollution in general, you do know that guilty is the whole 
world. 
About the production in the athmospere of ozone-spoiling gas, if 
Americans 
are the prime responsible of it, they should indeed have to 
answer for.
About Malcolm X' murder, it was a political crime, for which the 
then 
responsibles should have had to answer, too.
And for this do Americans deserve to get "destroyed"??

You aren't considering, then, that America also lost MILLIONS of 
soldiers by 
fighting against the great nationalisms - do you understand? 
MILLIONS of 
soldiers - in two world wars; 
that since the end of 2nd world war U.S.A. contrasted 
communismus all over
the world;
that they intervened in Yugoslavy against the Serbs in favour of 
(Muslim) 
Serbo-Bosnians because of pure justice and humanitary reasons - 
what O.N.U.
and European community did never make the decision to do - and 
later in 
favour of (Muslim) Albaneses, for the same reasons;
that U.S.A. are making NO terrorist attacks, but only 
interventions as 
retaliations to them or for preventing them;
that in their military interventions, Americans are usually 
trying to hit as 
few as possible civilians of the attacked countrys, unlike the 
Islamic 
terrorists that right want to kill as many as possible of them;
that in America's churchs no anti-Arab or anti-Muslim hatred is 
preached, 
unlike the mosquis of all Islamic countries, in which the U.S.A. 
are referred
to as "the enemy of all Islam" and "the great Satan".
That's why people can't understand the reasons of such an anti-
American 
hatred by Muslim countries, you fool. 
And OF COURSE Americans are now asking why they are hated, why??

If you want to criticise so much about freedom in America, then 
compare the 
American freedom and democracy, with freedom and democracy in 
Islam, in 
Islamic culture and mentality.
Yes, America harbors the worlds largest jailed population, 2 
million 
prisoners. Oh, Afghanistan e.g. doesn't have such a big problem 
at all. They 
sentence prisoners so quickly to death. By hanging or throat-
cutting... 
But maybe you prefer THAT culture, don't you? - Well, at least 
they don't 
tell to be so freedom lovers.... 
(By the way, if you hate U.S.A. so much, if you don't believe at 
all in the 
American freedom or in the idea that America wants to have about 
itself, if 
you even think America should have to get destroyed, if you 
think there you 
get brain-washed by the media, well why do you stay there?)

Besides, if you're so convincted that the whole world has real 
reasons for 
hating america, did you wonder why are now getting posted many 
messages here
condamning Osama Bin Laden, or in favour of American victims of 
terrorism, 
from all over the world, and in many languages? Why even some 
Muslims are 
condamning last terrorist attacks? Why  ALL countries - even 
Islamic ones, 
even Russia and China - but Afghanistan, either are on the side 
of Bush or 
have taken a distance from Bin Ladin? Why self many Afghanistan 
people - 
surely most people, if we consider also Afghan women - are 
against taliban
terrorists?

And do you know what is a real coward, you pig? For example, the 
one who sits 
two hundred miles off the coast of Saudi Arabia, pushing buttons 
to shoot 
missiles at an Iraqi target is NOT a coward, if this target is a 
mad murderer;
while the one who orders a slaughter - that is no retaliation 
for anything 
similar - of thousands of office workers and some tourists, and 
after that 
celebrates the happy outcome of his action along with his 
friends, and then
even says it wasn't he, that is a BIG coward.

Still, you said a lot of foolish things in your message - always 
as "obvious 
reasons" for the anti-american hatred. Even "countless 
atrocities and 
accounts of U.S. military brutality are coming out of that 
island (Puerto
Rico) every day"?? I asked a history teacher (in the school 
where I work) 
and looked for this question in two enciclopaedyas; nobody had 
heard about 
such "facts", and I've found no confirmation of such every day 
coming out 
countless atrocities. (October 1950 there was, yes, a revolt for 
independence
from U.S.A. that ended in blood, but on the other side, short 
later a 
complete indipendence was proposed by Americans but 11-27-1953 a 
popular 
referendum in Puerto Rico refused it).
About native Americans, instead, I've found out that in the 
territory now 
occpied by the U.S.A. they were about one million before 
American pioneers' 
arrival, while you said that they were 25 million and let 
understand that 
Americans would have committed a giant massacre of 20 million of 
Indian 
Americans. In addition, you idiot said Indian American 
were "completely wiped 
out" (?).
You wrote that 35,000 children die "every day" due to hunger 
because of U.S. 
foreign economic policy. I.e. 12,775,000 every year. (Let's 
imagine that!)
You wrote "The righteous Muslims, as well as all non-Muslim 
people who hate 
tyrrany and oppression, declared war on the U.S. a long time 
ago.". Well, the
only one who declared war on the U.S. a long time ago is Bin 
Laden, who 
represents all the worst Muslims in the world. 
You are capable to call "tyranny and oppression" even the war 
Americans make 
to Islamic terrorism.
About war in Bosnia you were capable to say that the 
U.S.A. "imposed a 
lopsided arms embargo on the Bosnian Muslims", when it was 
imposed by O.N.U. 
and on both parts, and the U.S.A. rather intervened right in 
favour of
Bosnians.
YOU ALSO USE EXAGERATIONS AND FAKE INFORMATION for illusing 
yourselves to 
rationalise your big anti-American hatred. You and many others 
in this board
want at every cost see and let believe that Americans are 
absolute and 
ruthless slaughterers, and are only that. And after the recent 
terrisist 
attacks you even allow yourself to say "the U.S.A. are a 
justified target for
the entire world to destroy" - for such stupid or invented 
reasons?. YOU AND 
ALL THOSE LIKE YOU MUST FEEL ASHAMED of being so mean and 
unright. You are  
stupids and truth-reversing scoundrels. With those like you, 
people can reason
no way. People can just speak the only language you can 
understand: the 
one of war and of death.

First learn how to spell muslim then tell me how educated you 
are. Hmm it's sounds like to me that you make christians like me 
look bad. I believe Islam is a religion of peace because I have 
read the quran and it's as beautiful a book as the bible. You 
ignorant undeducated low class people STOP MAKING US AMERICANS 
LOOK SO IGNORANT! 

Hey Mr, White boy why dont you go hide behind your white sheet 
and stop promoting racisim. Your as brain washed as the Taliban 
who went to strict islamic schools in pakistan.   YOU ALL USE 
RELIGION AND RACE AS AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR IGNORANCE AND HATE OF 
HUMAN BEINGS ! YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE TALIBAN !!!!!   MAY 
GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL! I HOPE TO GOD ONE DAY YOU WILL BE 
ENLIGHTED THAT WE ARE ALL THE SAME!  HEY WHITE BOY GO PUT YOUR 
WHITE SHEET on AND HIDE BEHIND YOUR IGNORANCE BECAUSE YOU CANT 
THINK FOR YOURSELF!! YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR KKK LEADERS OR THE 
TURNER DIARIES. HEY DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE WHITE TERROIRST 
TIMITHOY MACVAY WHO DAMAGE OUR  FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHONA. HE 
TOO IS  JUST AS MUCH A TERROIST AS BINLADEN!

Ya, du hast voellig recht, ich werde auch seinen Tod feiern.

Yeah, you have right, I will cheer Bin Laden's death as well.

Hey I by no means agree with what is going on in the world right 
now.  But does it give us the right to attack people within our 
western countries just because they are of the Islamic Faith?  
These people are not to blame for what has happened.  A great 
amount of the Islamic Community is just as disgusted as others 
about what has happened.  Do we lable all Americans the same 
because of the actions of a racist minority as in the KKK?

The islamic faith is so diverse that to label all the same is 
wrong.  In the christian faith we have Catholic, Baptist, 
Pentecostal, Church of England and so on.  We have a similar 
faith but difference all the same.  Violence against people 
within our society due to religion is wrong.  

You may think that I have no right to make such comments?  I 
live in Sydney Australia, right near a Nuclear Reactor.  There 
was a bomb scare there in the early hours of this morning.  
Someone rang up and said there was a bomb planted there.  If 
there was this means that myself and all my family have the 
potential to die.  It means that hundreds and hundreds of 
thousands have the potential to die.   I don't feal too 
comfortable right now but hey I don't feel the need to fire bomb 
a monsque and spit on a muslim woman in the street.

Direct the anger to those who deserve it.  Not to members of our 
society who have done nothing wrong except for being Muslim.  
Wake up...the people who are attacking them would possibly be 
the same as those who would rob an elderly woman or attack me if 
they found out I had Jewish Blood.  

BUT WO BETIDE YOU IF YOU LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND ARE 
PLANNING ANYTHING!  YOU WILL BE SCREWED OVER 10,000 TIMES EVERY 
YEAR IN TORMENT AND  HELL FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY.

Thanks

Jason

My email is squashiej@hotmail.com

How can one solitary man from the dusty hills hold the entire 
developed world by the balls and swing them around??
I will tell you! 
By ordering a slaughter - that is no retaliation for anything 
similar - of thousands of office workers and some tourists, and 
after that cheering the happy outcome of his action (along with 
his friends), and then even saying it wasn't he.
Normal, that he's your hero.

I think I well speak m-u-s-l-i-m.
How am I educated? Well, I have a mathematical-technical 
education, I am a programmer, a chess player, a martial arts 
practicer and an (amateur) organist; among other, I've read 
about ancient Greek philosophy, Oriental philosophy and 
psychoanalisys.
I don't understand why should I have to make Chrisitans look bad.
Islam is a religion of peace? I don't know if you have read an
integral or a cut version of koran. Please have a look at what
"speak the truth" quoted above, of koran.
I don't allow you to call me ineducated, ignorant or low class 
people. You don't know what you're talking about.
I really don't understand why should I make you Aericans look so
ignorant.
It looks like you haven't read my message - whose central topic 
wasn't muslim religion - or haven't understood what I was 
talking about. 

To Mr Bin Im gunna fucking pick you off when you aint expecting 
it be affraid be verry affraid!!!!!!!!
From The Hitman

I'm not sure you're really German. 
Why, what have Americans done to Germany, Japan, north Corea, 
Vietnam and Irak (you idiot)? Fighted against nationalisms, 
communismus and terrorism? 
(Why don't YOU better die??)
Eben recht, wenn du wirklich deutch bist, bitte antwort in 
Deutchem.

In my reply to cool / John / good thinker (above), about 
Gheddafi's terrorism I wrote of a bomb in a discoteque in 
Berlin. It's wrong, it was in Hamburg.

Do you know what's fuckin' people? - I SEE, YOU DON'T!
Stay away & You'll be alive :(

Your religion says: When they slap you, give them your other 
cheek.
Theirs says: limbs may be cut off the "wrongdoers".

I used to believe in the same principles as you mention above, 
but I think something changed in the world after september 11th, 
maybe you did'nt notice. When the Islamic nations who are on our 
side now, continue to be so, even as this war goes on and on, I 
will agree with you. But unfortunately, I'm not so sure about 
that.

That does not mean we should lower ourselves to their level and 
start to cut off limbs (or spit on them, or burn mosques), but 
let's stop showing that other cheek, it doesn't get us anywhere, 
if they slap us, let's slap back!  At all times, and we should 
not believe those who speak with "split tongues"

You say violence in our society due to religion is not possible?
I could tell you some stories about a brother of mine who joined 
the Pentecostal movement...
And what about the Irish?? - Such a different society??

Let's start judging people for what they really are, and not for 
their religion. 
But it's no use saying such a thing to a Muslim, life and every 
aspect of it IS the Islam. Anybody else is a "wrongdoer".
I don't have such a beautiful last name as yours to be inspired 
my, maybe that is why I am a bit more pessimistic about this 
all.... 
And I think that there is quite a bit of confusion going on 
between all of us; if we can only use four-letter words or, are 
able to preach, we have already given them a head-start.

    

I'm not sure you're really German. 
Why, what have Americans done to Germany, Japan, north Corea, 
Vietnam and Irak (you idiot)? Fought against nationalisms, 
communismus and terrorism? 
(Why don't YOU better die??)
Eben recht, wenn du wirklich deutch bist, bitte antwort in 
Deutschem.

Latest Casualties of War:
America:
3 Pilots
3 planes
around US$ 45 Billion dollars to date

Taliban:
20 civilians
1 rundown airport
1 house
7 goats
8 chickens
9 tents
10 rocks

I am losing this war... Please, I only have 3 goats left, and I 
wont let you terrorist Americans kill them!!!

PS: Bye the way, I have a few friends of yours here, who are 
really eager to say something:
"Hi Americans. I could never get enough of you, but now I will.. 
hehe", said TAXES, UNEMPLOYMENT, INSECUIRITY and INFLATION.

Bin Laden!!

Moral of the statistics: Is it worth it?

I am sorry to say Bin, but you no longer have any chance of 
living.  If everyone that is attacking you fails of finding 
you,  I WILL!!  EAT SHIT AND DIE

YOU FUCKED APEMAN

QUE US DONIN PEL CUL MOROS FASTIGOSOS EL VOSTRE TEMPS ESTA 
AKABANT PER SORT, A VEURE SI US MATEN A TOTS D'UN COP I PAREU DE 
VENIR ALS PAISSOS OCCIDENTALS, QUE L'UNIC KE FOTEU ES MOLESTAR-
NOS I ROBAR-NOS FILLS DE LA GRAN PUTA. VISCA HITLER!!!!!!!

AH SHIT BIN  YOUR SHIT THAT YOU DID IS WILD AND YOU WILL GET 
FUCKED UP FOR IT

Bin you have made a huge mistake.  You not only messed with the 
United States, you messed with 79 more countries as well, 
including your own.  ITS THE END OF BIN 

"Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep"  was written just for you.  Of 
course, now the camels are jealous. ROTFLMAO

BIN HAVE ANY LAST WORDS BEFORE I NUKE YOU AND YOUR DIRRANGED 
FOLLOWERS

PEPPERONI, CHEESE, SAUSAGE, ATOM BOMB, OR YOUR DONKEY YOU LIKE 
TO FUCK

By the way, you will find this hard to believe, but I dont hate 
you Americans, on the contrary, I pitty you. You are the easiest 
nation to fool.

You want proof?

Think it out for yourselves. All I will say, is your clue is in 
my question.

(By the way, there's no need for the foul language, coz u know I 
aint him, but I will argue on his behalf, coz it is pointless 
shooting a dead body, so take it easy guys..Any responses posted 
with swear words, will not be reponded to. Lets see how well you 
guys can ask and answer questions. Questions and answers will be 
directed to individuals. Cooool? Let's play it out).

Na na nanana... u missed me, u missed me, 
you didnt even toooooooch me!!

Bin Laden

Assuming I am responsible for the attacks:

TO: KILLER

Q: Do you think it is you, THE AMERICANS, YOUR FREEDOM, YOUR WAY 
OF LIFE that I hate, or is it your FOREIGN POLICY?

BIN LADEN ! I bring you Horror !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frankly,I don't give a fuck what your problem is.
             But your BIGGEST problem now is me.               
             

Hay Cox Sucker HOW DARE YOU DO THIS ASS HOLE  ASS.

Osama Bin Laden ist SCHWUL , Mutherfucker , Angsthase !

Warum kommt er nicht aus seinem Loch raus und stellt sich wie 
ein Mann ?

Nee verstecken und gro e Spr che kloppen, das keine meine OMA 
auch !

Public oppinion growing to do nukes---just keep pushing it.

Do you love your children?  Do you love Allah?  Do you love 
life? Yes, your land is sacred to you and to all Muslims....as 
is our land to us. And Israels land is to the Jews...If you 
don't like us, don't play with us.  Why couldn't you have just 
kept your hatred to yourself and prayed to Allah to forgive?  
This world belongs to all of us, and none of us are perfect. Our 
God is a forgiving God.  Shame to you for the death, misery, and 
suffering you alone have brought to the people of the lands you 
love. I will pray for you.  P.S. Do you really believe that 72 
vestel virgin thing?  Gotta run play tennis....tata

Public oppinion growing to do nukes---just keep pushing it.

Public oppinion growing to do nukes---just keep pushing it.

When you look at Bin Laden you see a asshole rag headed
crazy bitch. He is a CRAZY BITCH.

For those of you who want to have a "crack" at Bin Laden, get 
your "Bin Laden" toilet paper.

http//:www.makempay.com

Who Wants to see Bin Laden Taking A shit. 
GO TO www.frankensten.worldweb.net/afghan/

Use to be when evil leaders of nations were at odds with 
GOD, their lands would sucum to droughts, famine, 
pestilance and war.
So where on this time line is the Taliban led Afghanistan?

In less than 48 hours we have destroyed your radar, air force
(LOL)and we CONTROL the Skys.  Now the best trained and 
equipment will soon be dropping from the skys and crossing your 
border to get you. THE WORLD'S GREATEST MOUNTAIN DIVISION(NEVER 
LOST A BATTLE)WILL CROSS YOUR BORDER---SO TRY AND HIDE IN THE 
MOUNTAINS.  FEEL THE FEAR AS THOSE PEOPLE HAD TO FEEL AS THEY 
RAN FROM THE WTC.  I BET WE WILL HAVE YOU IN 5 DAYS, AND 
THIS "DEAD OR LIVE" WILL MOST LIKELY MEAN DEAD.  OUR PRECISION 
BOMBS GOT MANY OF YOUR 'FAMILY' MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR 
GROUP.  NOW YOU WILL SEE BLACKHALK CHOPPERS UP CLOSE WITH ALL 
ITS ARMOR.  YOU CAN FIRE YOUR LITTLE AK47 AT IT ALL DAY AND NOT 
PUT A ENT IN IT. SRIKE US AGAIN AND WE WILL DESTROY 1,000 OF YOU 
FOR EVERY ONE AMERICAN YOU KILL.  FINALLY----JUSTICE!!!!!

WE ARREADY BUSTED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU ONCE-----DO WE NEED TO TO 
FINISH YOU OFF NOW?  REMEMBER ALL THE WORDS YOU SAID ABOUT THE 
GREAT MOTHER BATTLE THAT WAS OVER IN 5 DAYS. LOL-----WE ARE ALL 
ABOUT HAD ENOUGH OF YOU AND TOO MUCH MORE FROM YOU WILL GIVE 90% 
PUBLIC OPINIOM TO FINISH YOU, YOUR BUDDIES AND ENTIRE COUNTRY 
OFF WHILE WE INSTALL A UN GOVERNMENT TO FREE YOUR PEOPLE. AND BY 
THE WAY, MY TWO CLOSE MUSLIN FRIENDS HERE IN THE US DISLIKE YOU 
AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE AND IF YOU THINK YOU WILL PAINT THIS AS 
MUSLINS AGANIST JEWS +CHRISTIANS, FORGET IT.  IT DID NOT WORK 
BACK THEN AND WON'T NOW.  AND IF YOU GET ONE OR TWO COUNTRIES TO 
JOIN YOU, WE WILL NEUTRALIZE THEM TOO.  WE ARE AT WAR.  HEAR 
THAT----WAR.  YOU CHICKEN SHIT ASSHOLES ATTACKED INNOCENT USA 
CITIZENS.  YOU CALL US THE GREAT SATAN---WELL THE GREAT SATAN 
HAS AVOIDED ALMOST ALL CIVILIAN PEOPLE IN THE PRESENT BOMBING.  
DID YOUR COWARD TERRORISTS EVEN LET THAT CROSS THEIR MIND.

CRAP BIN ALL I HAVE TO DO IS PUT I FOOT ON YOUR ASS.

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predicted, described, and warned of a sneak arab attack on New 
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other arab nations would take advantage of an American 
miscalculation as they stationed their entire AirCraft Carrier 
Fleet in the Middle East, which was later destroyed in an arab 
oceanic nuclear blast. It is quite evident, that since arab 
missles can not reach America, then a provocation would bring 
the Americans to the arabs. What do you think the probability of 
these happenings ever occurring? What do you believe, has the 
United States done in the middle east to provoke such a hatred, 
where people became so "hopeless" in their dreams of a happy 
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NO PROBLEM DYING 
HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I WILL DIE FOR JESUS, 
AND THATS FLAT 
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WIL
L DIE FOR U.S.A.,AND THATS FLAT 
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU STUPID 
FUCKS ALWAYS 
UNDERESTIMATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!keep pushing 
the envelope you satanic assholes!!

"__well golly sarge--Mayberry's gotta a bigger gun club 
than they got troops.--"

Its because of people like you that America is so hated around
the world.  One man and a few dollars brought your country to its
knees...imagine what might be coming your way next week.  So if
you think war in Afghanistan is your only excitement, you're wrong!

___oh . ..you are so ...shall we 
say--FUCKING.aaahh..Clever"MIster "ME"
See whats coming to you in the next few minutes !!
Better Yet---count the minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!

America will win this war on terrorism!  If they live in Iraq, 
Iran, Syria or Egypt we will hunt them down.  We will find them 
and we will kill them, one by one.  We are under attack and we 
WILL RESPOND until those coward, baby-killing animals are dead!  
The radical Islamic people have sadly underestimated the will 
and determination of the American people.  The radical Muslims 
are COWARDS that HIDE IN CAVES and use their own people as human 
shields!  Those caves will become their tombs!!   America will 
ALWAYS support Israel, so GET OVER IT!!!!   

Radical Islam has declared their "jihad"...We Americans 
say "BRING IT ON!!"  The fanatical Islamic COWARDS that live in 
your country and others around the world wanted a fight???  Well 
my friend, they are going to have one!  THEY started this and 
AMERICA WILL FINISH THIS!  If it takes 1,000 years, WE WILL 
FINISH THIS!  Your cowardly, radical, terrorist people seem very 
impatient in wanting to meet Allah......America is going to help 
you get there! 

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will bless Israel and 
America! 

Brin that shit to 238 and Greystone, Bitch... I promise you NONE 
of my MILLIONS of friends won't jump in and beat you. We will 
all take turns smacking you around. 

Hey Osama trade you this missle for one of your daughters. I'll 
make sure me and my friends take good care of her... And we will 
give you access to our site so you can see you daughter getting 
gang banged by Jews, Christans, Muslims, Atheists & others.

Teddy 169

Leave me out of the gang bang thingy. His daughter probably 
doesn't know what the hell is going on.  She's been wearing a 
Casper the Ghost costume her whole life and never even learned 
to read.   But, am I invited to come smack his @$$ around too?  

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the 
inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.  (you)
Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill 
shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is 
truely his brother's keeper and a finder of lost children. (US)
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and 
furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my 
brothers.  And you will know my name is the LORD when I 
lay my vengeance upon thee."  

The United States contributes humanitarian aid to many 
countries including Afghanistan.  Usamma, just what have 
you given to the poor people of Afghanistan?  Hate?  
Sorrow? Death?   I would ask God to forgive you, but I just 
cannot bring myself to do it.   May you know the same 
suffering that you have inflicted on countless innocents all 
over the world.  

The terrorists are only islamic.

i am just talking to you because i am very angery because of 
what is happening. i do argee with the bombing because we need 
to show who's boss to terrists and to tell any one who wants to 
follow them what will do to them. i think that bush and blair 
are the "man2 and that they will kick the tailiban.  

 to 'the Goon' your a  "Arshole"   (Billy)
"look at me and luagh"

dear taliban followers do you know how many nuclear missles 
america has with other 20 missile silos each containing 5 to 10 
nuclear weapons thats around 150 nucs not to mention how many 
nuclear subs america and england have so do you have any final 
words or would you like to change sides 


BYE BYE TALIBAN

I'll answer you.
SURELY BOTH.

I feel that bin laden is gay
I feel that bin laden is firefly queer
I feel that gin laden is a drunk
I feel that bin laden is a joke
I feel bin laden is a pregnant hippopotomus
I feel bin laden is really a circus monkey
I feel bin laden is a crack whore
I feel bin laden is also assistant crack whore
I know he will die at a time we choose
he can run and he can hide
but he cannot save his hide
he pissed of a great hetro sexual country
who likes to fuck and suck and kill
now he gets to be our video game of the year
fuck you bin fuckin queer laden bitch

we kill you now you hairy whore
we kill your kids who stand in your door
we kill your dog
we kill your mom
we kill your dad
if one you  had
we know you bleed yellow
cause you a chicken bitch
run and hide you son of a bitch
cause when u die the country will show
your little pecker 
fallin to the floor
you aint no jesus
you aint no nixon
you aint no reason
for havin life with in ya
you will die you dirty whore
the death of a chicken and nothing more
beheaded by your own barnyard muslims
you will die 
you fucking homo

we kill you now you hairy whore
we kill your kids who stand in your door
we kill your dog
we kill your mom
we kill your dad
if one you  had
we know you bleed yellow
cause you a chicken bitch
run and hide you son of a bitch
cause when u die the country will show
your little pecker 
fallin to the floor
you aint no jesus
you aint no nixon
you aint no reason
for havin life with in ya
you will die you dirty whore
the death of a chicken and nothing more
beheaded by your own barnyard muslims
you will die 
you fucking homo
 

ohh bin laden
ohh bin laden... come out and play

booooommmmmmm..........!!!!!!!
booommmm!!!!
boom...!!!

what is a muslim anyway
lets see if i can answer


...hmmmm

tough but let me think...

a bunch of homosexual murdering self centered livestock fuckers

i had to write one more time
this is too fun
heres to the death of everyone
on second thought that was wrong
heres to the death of that jerk who
wants jiad or holy war...
fuck you bin baby
fuck you real good
wont grease it wont vasoline it
but its goin up your ass
try this icbm its nice and cool
been in the ground since the beginning of the cold war
it will fit just fine
your such a big asshole
maybe if your nice i can give you the code to detinate
i know your neighbors only want us to do humanitarian things 
from out side your land
but we got something else planned
were going to rape and pillage your land
imagine that
you blow up two of our towers
your retards could never build
we flatten your buildings like nagasaki japan
its time you learn what the full berth
of this vessel can do to your ass
so bend over bin laden
here comes your daddy
right up your fuckin asshole 
bin laddy

let's meet

if your are arab then you need to leave our country
your people have done this for you
you are not american anymore
your a problem waiting to be murdered

arab means murder
muslim means liar
islam means hell

you dorky fuckin wap
get a grip
who understands any of your shit
fuck off

and fuck the pope

You will not win Bin Laden we will get you no matter where you 
hide no cave is deep enough for you so don't look behind you.

you on your own you blastphemers!!

oh...ok....
Now that we have air superiority, we're sending in helicopters 
and MORE ground troops.  

I don't see my President speaking from a cave on film.

Now the only question is which one of your people is going to 
turn Nasty bin Laden over to us for the reward?  Or will the 
coward continue to hide and then kill himself.  

This is not a time to call names. It is a time to stand up 
bravely for what is right, and all Nations and Religions deserve 
this respect. If we speak in ignorance we are like children and 
may be forgiven, but if we act brashly, and do not treat with 
respect others who too have fears and beliefs as well as 
perpectives on our Nation as well as rumors, we may all regret 
the actions. I am an American, but as such I consider it my duty 
to set an example without forcing my opinion. We (the world) has 
had great leaders, and now we are in need of them. People such 
as Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Golda Meier, and Nelson Mandela. 
We must be equitable and open with our discussions, we must be 
truthful and not self righteous, we must be able to listen as 
well as to advise. This situation is not just OUR problem...we 
cannot expect trust and justice unless we are willing to extend 
this to others. We have been so far removed from war in our 
country that we have developed a naivete that is both 
preseumptuous and dangerous. Because it has not touched us in 
our land until recently we have not been forced to truly hear 
the greivances of others, we have only paid superficial respect 
to other countries except where we have had a vested interest. 
We must change this...this time we must take the time to listen. 
I do not expect that those who masterminded this heinous act 
will react in kind, but we can prevent further rifts between 
Nations and perhaps by setting this example, we can help to 
create a greater understanding beyond any that exists today... 
Some may say this too is naive, but if one man can burn down a 
village, I believe that many can rebuild it...

respectfully,
Hopeful American

I have spoken to the FBI hotline about this Board last Friday.  
I will pass along to all loyal Americans and our massive Allies 
what the agent told me.  The right to free speech in our contry 
stops when direct terrorist threats are made at the USA or our 
Allies.  It then becomes a Felony.  They have asked that posts 
such as the ones by "Bin Laden" be copied and pasted to 
their "Tip Line" site on the FBI Offical Web site.  It is on the 
first page.  Frist of all, these people are not in Afgan---they 
can't even make a phone call from there must less a post.  They 
are probably in this country or one of our Allies.  The FBI, 
depending on the wording they use, would love to "chat" with 
them.  Remember, our war is not just off those carriers at sea, 
but here at home.  We must root these cowards out and put the 
FBI on them.  US Jails are filling with them now as we crack 
their cells and individuals.  We are holding them on a variety 
of charges.  Most are probably IQ about 60-70 and just stupid, 
but do copy and paste their comments to the FBI Tip Page.  The 
agent explained to me they could track them on this board within 
minutes.  A DARE===some of you USA haters put your real address 
on your post  :)when you make a direct threat to the USA---a 
Class A Felony----come on---we Dare you.  No, you won't do that 
since you are cowards. Just like on that plane yesterday bound 
for Chicago, you better hope the FBI gets there before we do.  
YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A GIANT YOU HAVE OUTRAGED, DO YOU?  
WE WILL DESTROY YOU OR BRING YOU TO JUSTICE NO MATTER HOW LONG 
AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO USE IN WEAPONS. The British media is 
confirming this morning there are troops from 5 different 
countries already in Afgan and the famous 110th Mountain 
DIVISION is now crossing the border.  We will have most of the 
leaders of the Tilaban and Bin Laden, if he is still alive, 
within 5 days.  The Tilaban(who cares how it is spelled)has 
esentially already lost power.  It is 11:00am EST time now and 
CNN is showing pictures of our strongest attacks on their 
forward positions to date going on right now.  That tells me 
soon the ground troops with the Northern Alliance will strike as 
soon as we eliminate their forward defenses left of those that 
have not already surrendered after the horror of carpet bombing 
by B-52s and B-1s.  JUSTICE IS AT HAND.  NOW LET'S CATCH THE 
ONES ON THIS BOARD DIRECTLY MAKING TERRORIST THREATS AGANIST US 
AND SEE HOW THEY ENJOY SOME NIGHTS IN A US FEDERAL PRISION.

Just a reminder.  The clear statements from the Nation Security 
Council and the President Make clear one thing highlighted.  If 
you try some type of biological weapon strike aganist us, we 
respond with Nukes.  This has been the policy of the US since 
the Gulf war.  Weapon of Mass Destruction=Weapon of Mass 
Destruction.  That is why Saddam did not use them in the Gulf 
war---we would have leveled Iraq.  Tactical nukes and large 
nukes are off shore on carriers/subs a few hundred miles from 
your homeland.  Unless you want no home left to go home to after 
this is all over, I suggest you use what small intelligence you 
have in those robot brains you have that are under control of 
Bin Laden to think twice.  WE WILL DO IT.  YOU ENRAGE THIS 
COUNTRY ANYMORE THAN IT ALREADY IS , TOTAL DESTRUCTION COULD 
COME TO  THAT STATE THAT SUPPORTED AN ATTACK LIKE THAT.  GOING 
INTO IRAQ TO FIND SADDAM WILL NOT BE NECESSARY---NO ONE WILL BE 
THERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

"There once was a king who offered a prize to the artist who 
would paint
the best picture of peace. Many artists tried. The king looked at 
all
the pictures. But there were only two he really liked, and he had 
to
choose between them.

One picture was of a calm lake. The lake was a perfect mirror for
peaceful towering mountains all around it. Overhead was a blue 
sky with
fluffy white clouds. All who saw this picture thought that it was 
a
perfect picture of peace.

The other picture had mountains, too. But these were rugged and 
bare.
Above was an angry sky, from which rain fell and in which 
lightning
played. Down the side of the mountain tumbled a foaming 
waterfall. This
did not look peaceful at all.

But when the king looked closely, he saw behind the waterfall a 
tiny
bush growing in a crack in the rock. In the bush a mother bird 
had built
her nest. There, in the midst of the rush of angry water, sat the 
mother
bird on her nest - in perfect peace.

Which picture do you think won the prize? The king chose the 
second
picture. Do you know why?

"Because," explained the king, "peace does not mean to be in a 
place
where there is no noise, trouble, or hard work. Peace means to be 
in the
midst of all those things and still be calm in your heart. That 
is the
real meaning of peace."

You wrote "I am an American, but as such I consider it my duty 
to set an example without forcing my opinion." and now you're 
going to continue with a completely baseless lecture?  Get 
real!  

Forced opinion?  What were the attacks on the WTC and the 
Pentagon?  

Go check the USAID site and then come back and tell me how we 
have not respected others except superficially.  We have fed, 
clothed and cared for more people on the planet than any other 
country at any other time in history (knowing we'd never get 
repaid), because it was the humanitarian thing to do.  You'd 
better grow up and do it fast!  

Justice?  OK, I'll tell you what.  Why don't you hold a 9/11/01 
party  for the dead and injured and when they all show up, 
explain what happened to THEM!

  

...and what did the king do when 6,000 of his people were 
murdered?

Italian guy, as smart as you profess to be, you apparently 
are not all knowing.  Jules is a character from the movie 
Pulp Fiction.  Watch the movie if you would like to know the 
significance of the quote.  What Samuel Jackson does after 
the quote is the point.   
My other observation is:  Religion has no part in this war.  
You may say it does, but the root of  evil here is human.  We 
live quite peacefully with Jews Catholics, Muslims and so 
on in the U.S..  We are tolerant people on the whole.  We are 
not perfect, but, what we have is far better than any place I 
can think of. I have traveled to countries where armed 
millitary patrol the streets.  I don't think any  American wants 
that to be our standard, so yes, we must stop terrorism in 
any way possible.  Here and now.   
My quote did not have a biblical message to it, merely a 
comical message from a film.  It was a joke Italian Guy.
    

Maybe they should be in concentrations camps like the japanese 
were, and that was a shame because the japanese at least had the 
common decency to join the arm forces and fight for the freedom 
they held so dear. these people don't speak up or out their 
own,they know where they are at. How about binladins relatives, 
i have yet to hear them plead to their brother to give himself 
up,even if it wouldn't happen at least we would think they 
cared. They are barbarians and should be treated as such. I'm to 
the point,that i think we should completely wipe out the middle 
east they are nothing but trouble to the rest of the world.They 
cannot live together and they are always bickering over 
nothing.  I say they are a threat to world security and wipe the 
vermin off the face of the earth.

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, a spokesman for my network,al-Qaeda group, 
has called on Muslims to join in a holy war against the United 
States. Below is the full text of the statement: 

"We thank Almighty God, who said in his holy book: Ye who 
believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends 
and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each 
other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily 
God guideth not a people unjustly. 

"May God's peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his 
companions, and those who followed his course. 

"I address this message to the entire Muslim nation to tell them 
that the confederates have joined forces against the Islamic 
nation and the Crusader war, promised by Bush, has been launched 
against Afghanistan and against this people who have faith in 
God. 

'Crusader bombardment' 

"We now live under this Crusader bombardment that targets the 
entire nation. The Islamic nation should know that we defend a 
just cause. 

"The Islamic nation has been groaning in pain for more than 80 
years under the yoke of the joint Jewish-Crusader aggression. 
Palestine is living under the yoke of the Jewish occupation and 
its people groan from this repression and persecution while no-
one lifts a finger. The Arabian Peninsula is being defiled by 
the feet of those who came to occupy these lands, usurp these 
holy places, and plunder these resources. 



Carrying out terrorism against the oppressors is one of the 
tenets of our religion and Shari'ah
 
 

"The Islamic nation must also know that the US version of 
terrorism is a kind of deception. Is it logical for the United 
States and its allies to carry out this repression, persecution, 
plundering, and bloodletting over these long years without this 
being called terrorism, while when the victim tries to seek 
justice, he is described as terrorist? 

"This type of deception can never be accepted in any case 
whatsoever. 

"Let the United States know that the Islamic nation will not 
remain silent after this day on what it is experiencing and what 
takes place in its land, and that jihad for the sake of God 
today is an obligation on every Muslim in this land if he has no 
excuse. 

'Steeds of war' 

"God Almighty has said: Then fight in God's cause, thou art held 
responsible only for thyself and rouse the believers. It may be 
that God will restrain the fury of the unbelievers, for God is 
the strongest in might and in punishment. 



The actions by these young men who destroyed the United States 
and launched the storm of planes against it have done a good deed
 
 

"US interests are spread throughout the world. So, every Muslim 
should carry out his real role to champion his Islamic nation 
and religion. Carrying out terrorism against the oppressors is 
one of the tenets of our religion and Shari'ah. 

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your 
power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts 
of the enemies of God and your enemies. 

"I would like to touch on one important point in this address. 
The actions by these young men who destroyed the United States 
and launched the storm of planes against it have done a good 
deed. 

"They transferred the battle into the US heartland. Let the 
United States know that with God's permission, the battle will 
continue to be waged on its territory until it leaves our lands, 
stops its support for the Jews, and lifts the unjust embargo on 
the Iraqi people who have lost more than one million children. 

"The Americans should know that the storm of plane attacks will 
not abate, with God's permission. There are thousands of the 
Islamic nation's youths who are eager to die just as the 
Americans are eager to live. 

'New phase of enmity' 

"They should know that with their invasion of the land of 
Afghanistan, they have started a new phase of enmity and 
conflict between us and the forces of infidelity. We are 
confident that we will achieve victory thanks to our material 
and moral strength and confidence and faith in Almighty God. The 
Americans have opened a door which will under no circumstances 
be shut. 

"I address Muslim youths, men, and women and urge them to 
shoulder their responsibility. They should know that the land of 
Afghanistan and the mujahidin there are really facing an all-out 
Crusader war which is aimed at eliminating this group which 
believes in God and fights on the basis of a creed and religion. 
Thus, the nation must shoulder its responsibility. It would be a 
disgrace if the Islamic nation fails to do so. 

"Finally, I thank Almighty God who enabled us to engage in this 
jihad and fight this battle, which is a decisive one between 
infidelity and faith. I ask Almighty God to grant us victory on 
our enemy, make their machinations backfire on them, and defeat 
them. 

"May God's peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you." 

The Satanic Alliance against
Afghanistan
The conspiracy against the newly
established Islamic government in
Afghanistan is increasingly becoming
evident. In the past, the enemies of
Allah supported the Afghani opposi-tion
factions on the political and
media fronts, as well as through an
open supply of weaponry and funds.
This has proved to be futile, in light of
the ongoing losses suffered by the
opposition and its limited control over
the areas to the Panshir valley and a
few mountains in the North.
Consequently, the United States had
to change its strategy in favour of a
direct military involvement to prevent
the spread of the Islamic revival from
Afghanistan to the Muslim people of
the Central Asian republics, whose
governments are under Russian influ-ence.
Naturally, the US interests in
limiting Afghanistan s role in the
regions conformed to those of Russia.
Both countries fear that Afghanistan s
Taliban enjoying a great deal of sup-port
especially amongst the Islamic
students in Pakistan may succeed in
playing an effective role in Pakistani
politics that may possibly result in the
establishment of an Islamic govern-ment
in Pakistan, similar to that of
Afghanistan.
The concerns of America and Russia
concerns were joined by those of
India, who also fear
the spread of the
Islamic revival and
its possible impact
on the current
Islamic revolution
in Kashmir. To top
it all, Iran has also
joined in this vile
alliance. Iran s
Shia  regime fears
that the Afghani
Sunni government
may help the
oppressed Sunnis of
Iran close to 30%
of Iran s popula-tion 
who since the
Khomeini revolu-tion
have been sub-jected
to a system-atic
campaign of
oppression and
killing under the
gaze of Islamic  unity .
Following the bombing of US intelli-gence
centres (embassies) in Kenya
and Tanzania and the subsequent
accusation of Saudi Mujahid Usamah
Bin Ladin (currently residing in
Afghanistan) of involvement in the
attacks the American and Russian
mass media had been advocating for a
military strike on Afghanistan. The
US had used this golden opportunity
to direct its pressures against Kabul
and Islamabad and, later, was fol-lowed
by the missile attacks on the so-called
 terrorist camps  in Afghanistan
and Sudan.
Despite that there is not a single shred
of evidence that could prove any
involvement of Usamah Bin Ladin or
the Taliban in the crippling of USS
Cole in Yemeni waters, the US with
the complete backing of Russia are
once again capitalizing on the bomb-ing
to initiate a new conspiracy
against Kabul.
The past few weeks have witnessed an
increased number of media reports
predicting the likelihood of this satan-ic
alliance to strike at the strategic
points of interest in Afghanistan,
under the pretext of hitting at the  ter-rorist
camps .
If such a strike were to occur, then the
whole of the Muslim Ummah should
stand up to its responsibility of
alliance to the Muslims of
Afghanistan and their Islamic govern-
ment that have remained defiant
against all the economical, diplomatic,
media and war pressures orchestrated
by the US.
Such a strike would have grave conse-quences
not only to the Central Asian
region, but also to the whole world.
Afghanistan has been in war for close
to 20 years. It has gone through
greater conspiracies and military
attacks in the past. It is certain that the
Mujahideen will Insha  Allah be able
to resist the attacks at minimum loss-es,
and will then prepare for an all-out
war targeting the governments of the
Russian-backed Central Asian
republics such as Tajikistan which is
expected to be followed by popular
Islamic revolutions from within these
republics. This is evident from the fol-lowing
motto that is rapidly spreading
throughout the region:  Every student
(of Islamic Knowledge) is another
Usamah .
Chechnya
The symptoms of weakness and impo-tence
are becoming more apparent
amongst the ranks of the Russian
forces in Chechnya. This was reflected
by the statements of both military field
commanders in Chechnya and
Russia s President, Putin, as well as a
number of Russian parliamentarians,
who called for an end to the Chechen
conflict. This was followed by state-ments
by Russian field commanders,
declaring their intention to halt their
military operations against the
Mujahideen.
This was caused by the following fac-tors
including:
1. The great decline in the morale of
Russian soldiers due to the heavy loss-es,
which they suffered at the hands of
the Mujahideen throughout the
Chechen republic. The low morale
was also caused by the lack of food
supplies, as well as the fact that the
Russian soldiers have not been paid
their wages for months. Many of them
had to turn into organised gangs that
rob and loot to sustain a living.
2. The conspiracy played by a number
of Russian military generals have been
uncovered. As some of these generals
have been striving to prolong the war
and keep their presence in Chechnya
for as long as possible in order to carry
out systematic and organised theft of
News Round Up
NIDA'UL

Get Real.  Your wonderful government that enjoys such 
popularity is a hoax.  The United States deoes not repress 
religious  beliefs.  I only glanced through the tripe that you 
wrote becase you talk like a penny book with no leaves.  We 
let you spew your hatred on our forums because we have 
tthe freedom to speak and listen to what we choose.  Your 
great government  refuses simple rights to its people.  If it is 
such a wonderful place  why are yor people fleeing like rats 
off a sinking ship?
You can chant your chants, decry the United States, stomp 
your feet, burn all the flags you want, and speak of all the 
convoluted facts according to you, but it will do no good.  The 
Taliban's days are nearing the end and so is the Extreme 
views of  its followers.  Can't you see that your leaders are 
directing you to death and doom because if they don't find 
an enemy you might realize that they are inadequate as 
leaders and are not looking out for the people.  So, give 
them a cause and misdirect their ire .  You are poor and 
have little hope of a better life with these leaders.  Get smart, 
see your true enemy, your pathetic leaders that are unable 
to solve your internal problems, so they give you an external 
cause to rally around.  God is good and God is Great, but if 
you think Bin Laden is talking to him you have been sucking 
on that hooka pipe way too long.  Wise up!

Na du lutscht du grade wieder den schwanz deines kamels.... 
hmmmm schmeckt gut osama und immer dran denken sch n 
schlucken.... Komm endlich aus deinem loch und fang eine von den 
sch nen 2 millionen raketen der  U S A auf! 
Ich versteh viele Dinge die in der arabischen Welt geschehen 
auch nicht, aber ich kann das was in New York noch 
weniger ...........der Tod ist ein Geschenk f r dich!!!!!!

You are one giant of an asshole. Have a nice talk with the 
F.B.I.

Nun ist das geschehen was geschehen musste, handelt so das es 
nie wieder soweit kommt. 

Die Welt stht hinter euch .....dieses Geschehen hat uns zusammen 
geschwei t....

Wir sind eins.....

You are one giant of an asshole. Have a nice talk with the 
F.B.I.

For hackers.
http://stcom.net/kavkaz.htm

Thanks

What are people thinking?  There are so many people out there 
trying to say that we should negotiate.  There is no negotiation 
in a holy war (whatever the hell that is).  There is only death, 
and the worst part about war, there are no winners.  Only dead 
people.  I just hope we kill more of them than they do us.  
Maybe that will make us winners.  I hope Bush doesn't piss off 
the wrong rag-head.  Some innocent people may die...Yes I know 
that we are them most powerful military in the world, but these 
fuckers aren't attacking our military.  The are attacking our 
people.  Good luck american military.  I hope that no one types 
in messages to be a jackass.  Please, stop being 6th graders.

PEOPLE WHO ARE LETTERS ABOUT BIN ASSHOLE LADEN
KEEP SENDING THEM!

SEND....SEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
P.S.
BIN LADEN YOUR ASS IS SO WIDE THAT
I WILL PUT A NUCLEAR BOEM UP YOUR BIG BONEY ASSHOLE

GOD IS WITH YOU

                   KISS...KISS..

What the fuck have I done? Where is Allah when I need 
him? If 
only these stupid Afghans will hide me a little longer, maybe 
the Americans will leave....but what if they don`t? I`m tired of 
living like a sewer rat. Maybe I can go to a nice American 
prison and be someone`s bitch...No, the first American 
soldier 
that sees me will send me to that big camel farm in the 
sky--but 
I don`t want to be with the stupid fucks I talked into killing 
themselves---And why did I choose this shit hole of a 
country to 
hide in? If I hire Johnny Cochran and have a really dumb 
jury, 
maybe I`ll be found not guilty---worked for O.J. didn`t it?

HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS......

It worked once in our history... Once in U.S. history, an 
episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It 
happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. 
Pershing was in command of the garrison.  There had been 
numerous Islamic terrorist
attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perpetrators 
and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to 
posts, execution style.  The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs 
and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and 
fat.  Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they 
would be contaminated with hogs' blood.  This would mean that 
they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist 
martyrs. All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the 
grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies.  The lone 
survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and 
tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a 
stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years. 
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make 
them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.  Like 
Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim 
heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins).  
But instead, they will die with the hated pigs of the devil.

C-130 COMIN' DOWN THE STRIP
AIRBORNE RANGER GONNA' TAKE A LITTLE TRIP
OOH AH OOH AH AH
I SAID OOH HA OOH AH AH

buh-bye now *S*

A
                            GIB
                           TIHS
                          KAERF         

You're sweet.  Do ya' think it'll happen or do you think they'll 
just watch him/her for a while?  Do you think that the posts 
fall under terrorist activity?  It sure sounds like it supports 
terrorist activity.  Can you post a url for the tip line?  

I found http://www.dssrewards.net/

During the morning of September 11, 2001, two hijacked 
commercial airliners were used to attack the World Trade Center 
in New York City. Another hijacked airliner was used to attack 
the Pentagon. A fourth plane was hijacked but crashed before 
reaching its target. 

Individuals providing information may be eligible for a reward 
of up to $5 million, protection of identities and relocation 
with their families. 

If you have any information and are overseas, contact the 
nearest US embassy or consulate; otherwise use the contact 
information below.

Rewards for Justice
P.O. Box 96781
Washington, D.C. 20090-6781, USA 
Internet: mail@dssrewards.net 
Voice: 1-800-437-6371 

ALL IDENTITIES ARE KEPT STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL 

I also found: https://www.ifccfbi.gov/complaint/terrorist.asp

I'm not looking for rewards, just putting out the info.  

You can use these sites for reporting terrorist activity.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/fugitives.htm
...and here's who you're looking for....

I never said I was all knowing.
I haven't seen Pulp Fiction.
I don't remember wich quotes you're talking about.
I don't know which of my messages you're answering to.
As you can see, religion does have a great part in this war, and 
this doesn't mean that the root of the evil here isn't human all 
the same (OBVIOUSLY it's not divine).
Of course you do have to stop terrorism in any way possible, I 
don't know what you have understood of what I say.

Why can't you understand what I wrote in my big posting? It's 
still clear enough. I think if you just try to read it all, you
will find out many important things very healthy for you.

some poor idiots like you both can just say lots of foolish 
things

I am the only person on this planet who can get Bin Laden.
This, I do, to free my religion from the defamation and disgrace 
he has caused to us. 
Crackers and jokers, stay here, and keep typing.
Others, who can get me in touch with the right people, I am 
serious. My email address: ashraf@uaedesertsafari.com

Muslims are not Terrorists.

I am a true Muslim.

Peace to all.

Peace to ALL..

I repeat, this is not a joke. 

Peace...

The only things OBL is interested in is: -Pakistan's H-Bomb: to 
satisfy his Hatred, -Saoudi Arabian's oil: to satisfy his Envy  -
distroy human-made Beauty: to satisfy his enormous inferiority 
complex.
Only then, once he has turned the whole human race into rats; he 
can be "King of the Rats".
 That's all there is to it, more or less the same psychic 
problems Hitler had..
The problem is: rats are already outnumbering the human beings 
on this planet.
 

First you say all your "guys" want to die.
Now you're crying that we grant them this wish.
Point: As with everything that dribles out of your mouth, you 
don't know what you want except for hatred.
So,just to be safe, we're stickin' with your first wish. 

I am the only person on this planet who can get Bin Laden.
This, I do, to free my religion from the defamation and disgrace 
he has caused to us. 
Crackers and jokers, stay here, and keep typing.
Others, who can get me in touch with the right people, I am 
serious. My email address: 

Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com

We repent this more than u do, coz this is in our faces, not urs.

I am a true Muslim.

Muslims are not Terrorists.

Peace to ALL..

http://www.geocities.com/seymourbutz1/index.html

Poor old satan's satin bin really seems to enjoy death.
If it were not too dangerous to the special forces maybe we 
could show it to him up close and personal by NOT killing him at 
our first opportunity.  Rather, instruct snipers to shoot one or 
two of his lieutenants/aides as they stand by his side.  Then 
leave and hunt him down again later....and kill one or two of 
his aides/lieutenants again...and keep doing it over 
again.....and again.....and again....and......again    Wonder 
how long those remaining would stay with the MOD (Master of 
Death) Squadron leader?  DON'T SHOOT SATAN'S PRETTY SATIN BIN.

By the way, Freedom, I slept too hard last night....overslept 
actually.  Glad to hear about the increase in Freedom's Navy.

I hope you and your family enjoys the terror of our air 
strikes.  When I was in "Nam" we were shot up by friendly air 
strikes.  There is nothing that I have ever experienced as 
terrifying.  Enjoy!!  Payback is a motherfucker and it's your 
turn.  

What's that smell?
Burnibg Ragheads.
Fire up another one!!

Fighting my way to the promised land.
Bayonet in my hand.
Watch as I plunge it in your chest,
'cuz I'm one of America's best.

Good God, isn't great to be an American?

Stay strong my friends!!

You bloody son of a bitch

Anything close to 9/11/01& WE WILL NUKE YOU OFF THE 
FACE OF THE 
EARTH,PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Keep pushing 
us and YOU WILL burn at 200,000 degrees 
celisius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMERICA WILL DEMAND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You people are what is wrong with this country. Spouting racial 
slurs and plediging to kill all the muslims is childish. Grow up.

From what I understand, YES, the FBI is watching.
And all these "anti - Americans " are being watch(along with 
us, the Good Guys.)
I don't give a crap though; because I know I'm on the RIGHT 
SIDE of this issue.

Give us ONE more excuse you stupid camel ******* 
assholes, and your country will be turned into the LARGEST 
glass store in the world!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for info. American Woman------"hey----are you 
Canadian??"

The only reward I want is freedom.----------god bless.

You stupid,arrogant assholes!!!!!
You have opened the very bowells of your destruction. 
Never "gloated about our military power" myself; but now you 
stupid, arrogant butthheads are gonna make my "Tax 
Dollar" pay off!!

WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--
WAR BONDS--"we will prevail !!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD !!!!!!!

Hot, Dry, Smokey, sand storms.  All around bad day..  Smell of 
death is in the air.  USA!

People like usama bin, etc.have not only damaged relations 
between our nations, but have hurt mankind in general.
I'm an American and have had the benifit of meeting and 
living with people of middle eastern decent.(1970'S)
Some, I got along with and some I did'nt. Hell,most 
americans I probally did't "get along with"--"but it sure was'nt  
reason to do 9/11/01 !
I've had the opportunity to go into "middle eastern" homes, 
and do work for/with these people, with no problem.
I'm not going to get into specifics, but its too bad; this nation 
is a lot more PISSED, than you could even imagine !!
God bless you and your family--and ours also.

Glad to meet you !!

Do not worry about you, we are going to give you our militar 
forces that you destroy to Usa, we have to win Talibans!!!!

Yes we have to Win this Holy War, Common go ahead we are with you

We have to dessapear to Usa, count with my word.

all Usa fuck your ass, pinches putos they only get the oil zones 
of afghans. do not worry about Talibans

Attentively. Vicente Fox
Mexican President.

I know the Usa it can not live without us mexicans

now we have changed our mind, Talibans we are with you!!!!!!!

listen we are with you!!!!

it is true I am talking with these true words

if you want to use our territory to destroy to Usa.

You can do it any time.

Iam not any mexican people

Iam Vicente Fox, do not think that I am in mexico now

I am in checoslovaky republic

common believe in my word and my worth for you.

thanks Vicente Fox.

If you and I were to sit and talk about things, you would find 
that I don't want all Muslims to die.  In fact, having served in 
a war, I hate it.  I looked into a man's eyes as he died in my 
arms burned beyond recognition.  War is a dirty, tough business.

War was brought to us by people who want to rid the world of all 
religions but theirs.  In fact, a good many "moderate" Muslims 
clerics have called for the destruction of the "Saturday people" 
(Jews) and then the "Sunday people" (Christians). Almost every 
Muslim "official" state radio calls for the death of Jews and 
the destruction of those who support them (the USA).  That is a 
fact and you can look it up.  As we say in the military, "It's 
true and it ain't no bullshit".

We are in a struggle with Islam.  You may not believe it, but 
they do.  Look at what has happened in England.  Muslim clerics 
by the dozens call for the installation of an Islamic state.  In 
the rest of Europe it is only slightly better.

Our own goodness as a people has lead to this mess.  We have 
only ourselves to blame for the almost 7 million Muslims in this 
country.(Actually we can blame Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank. 
Look it up.)  We have paid for our decency with almost 7,000 
deaths.  The PLO conducts fund raising rallies in America in 
which the destruction of America is called for.  I have seen the 
videos.  I have talked to a number of Arab Muslims and every one 
of them wants Israel to be destroyed.  I found the same true of 
every Iranian and Turkish Muslim.  I have yet to meet a Muslim 
who will let Israel live in peace.

Israel is a democracy, an ally, and the refuge of a people who 
have had unspeakable crimes committed against them.  I am not a 
Jew.  However, the enemies of Israel are my enemies.  The 
enemies of Israel should be the enemies of America.

No, I don't want all Muslims dead.  I want the immigration of 
Muslims halted.  I want every Muslim who is not a citizen 
ordered out of the country.  I want Bush 43 to state in no 
uncertain terms that any nation who attacks Israel will have to 
deal with the American military.

Western civilization is at stake.  It is so despite what the 
professors in our collages and universities say.  A multi-
cultural ccountry is the end our European hertage.  The choice 
is yous my friend.  Which side are you on?

We have made ourselves hostage to a religion that does not bear 
us goodwill.  That is, we are dependent on oil from the middle 
east.  That is unacceptable and must be remedied by the building 
of nuclear power plants.  We have allowed a few wackos in the 
Democratic party put our country at risk.  Could you imagine the 
response of Bush 43 if we did not need their oil?  Bagdad and 
Damascus would be destroyed for both countries have supported 
al' Qaida.  We simply must remove both governments.  There is no 
other choice.  

We must build nuclear power plants.  WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

this is how i see it... i am an american. i was born, went to 
school, got married..had some kids....then september 11th came 
and my whole world changed. my thoughts about life, my childrens 
life, the existance of mankind...massive loss of lives right 
here in my city. Ive been to 2 memorials..one for a friend and 
one for a firefighter. it was devastating. the children with no 
fathers, the wives with no husbands. and its all over something 
out of our hands. us americans.....we (meaning the general 
public) are in the dark about our government. we dont chose to 
start war..we dont chose to cause destruction. we are too busy 
raising our families and workin hard to just make ends meat. Im 
not gonna sit here and talk about peace because god knows 
justice must be served here. civilians were taken by suprise by 
that days events. what im tryin to say is its not "afghanis" and 
its not "americans". its this thing called terrorism that caused 
this milleniums conflict.i do have to say, as terrified i am 
about my babies, i feel the same for the innocent children in 
afghanistan.  in order for civilians to feel safe again, 
terrorism MUST BE TAKEN OUT. now people are asking WHY americans 
are lashing out at arab look a likes.. its because today in our 
country there are arabs walkin around ..plannin on causing more 
grief and we are not sure which are safe and which are EVIL. i 
do feel at times that maybe america was a bit too liberal. that 
the borders were too open. we trusted all, and got shitted on. 
so all those anti americans crying holy war....HELLO!! this is 
america where we teach different languages..where we accept all 
religions. where for god sakes me being caucasion is starting to 
feel like the minority. but you know what, that is america, we 
accept all, give em all a chance. lets see..how many american 
refugees have you ever heard of??????
i would like to end on this note....god bless all americans 
affected on september 11, 2001. god bless new york and god bless 
america!!

this is how i see it... i am an american. i was born, went to 
school, got married..had some kids....then september 11th came 
and my whole world changed. my thoughts about life, my childrens 
life, the existance of mankind...massive loss of lives right 
here in my city. Ive been to 2 memorials..one for a friend and 
one for a firefighter. it was devastating. the children with no 
fathers, the wives with no husbands. and its all over something 
out of our hands. us americans.....we (meaning the general 
public) are in the dark about our government. we dont chose to 
start war..we dont chose to cause destruction. we are too busy 
raising our families and workin hard to just make ends meat. Im 
not gonna sit here and talk about peace because god knows 
justice must be served here. civilians were taken by suprise by 
that days events. what im tryin to say is its not "afghanis" and 
its not "americans". its this thing called terrorism that caused 
this milleniums conflict.i do have to say, as terrified i am 
about my babies, i feel the same for the innocent children in 
afghanistan.  in order for civilians to feel safe again, 
terrorism MUST BE TAKEN OUT. now people are asking WHY americans 
are lashing out at arab look a likes.. its because today in our 
country there are arabs walkin around ..plannin on causing more 
grief and we are not sure which are safe and which are EVIL. i 
do feel at times that maybe america was a bit too liberal. that 
the borders were too open. we trusted all, and got shitted on. 
so all those anti americans crying holy war....HELLO!! this is 
america where we teach different languages..where we accept all 
religions. where for god sakes me being caucasion is starting to 
feel like the minority. but you know what, that is america, we 
accept all, give em all a chance. lets see..how many american 
refugees have you ever heard of??????
i would like to end on this note....god bless all americans 
affected on september 11, 2001. god bless new york and god bless 
america!! oooh gees here i go talkin about pain and 
sorrow....fears and angers.. my heart going out to the innocent 
human beings in laden land. oh yea thats right.....IM AMERICAN!  

I live in England i love all afghans and arabs especially Osama 
Bin Laden. 

Dear Satan Bin Ladin and Friends;
   Hey there Satan Bin Ladin, its Freedom again. I've been 
working and sleeping well. My brother told me the other night on 
the phone (yes, our phone system still works)I have not spelled 
your name correctly. When I addressed you as Satin I was not 
referring to your being forced to shave that goat's ass looking 
face of yours; actually, my intention was to reveal your 
alliance with your leader, the Devil himself.
   I just want you to know I slept well last night. and the 
night before. You see, there are no loud noises here to wake me. 
I'm waiting for your next stupid little stunt, but I guess thats 
not really up to you. I have sent a message to the GREAT STUD 
GEORGE BUSH to let up on you a bit so you can piss us off some 
more. This will also allow a couple more of your stupid 
followers to give their lives for your stupid cause.
   Always remember, Satin doesn't give reach arounds.
   Goodbye.
   Freedom

You're right on the money honey!  You are the stuff of which 
America is made.  While most Arabs do not agree with the 
terrorists, you can't tell by looking.  I'm against hate crimes, 
but I know that people are scared and angry.  DON'T be afraid.  
Live your life, love your kids, your friends and family and be 
proud that you are, like me, an American Chick.  (((Hugs)))

Please write to Tony Blair and let him know how you feel about 
Usama.  I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.  I believe he 
resides at number 10 Downing street.  It's good for you to stand 
up for what you believe in.  So, I suggest you get a large 
poster of Usama and march up and down in front of Tony's house 
after you write to him.  Don't worry if you get your ass kicked 
a few times or if you even die.  If it's what you believe in, 
then it's worth it.

Cheers, 
America

VI POLUCHILI TO, CHTO ZASLUGILI!
Bin Laden NE VINOVEN !!! 

Oh, but there ARE Muslims in the US military!  There are many 
AMERICANS who practice their religion and pray in mosques who 
ABHOR what has happened to our country and DO NOT support bin 
Laden or what he has done.  As far as his family goes, they 
disowned him a long time ago.
And as far as the people in the Mid East being a scourge on the 
face of the earth, have you watched Jerry Springer lately?
There are plenty of free white people making complete asses of 
themselves!  (and not just there, I might add).  There are right 
wing fundamentalists in almost every religion.  Just think of 
bin Laden as another 'Jim Jones'...while he has some followers, 
the majority do not condone his interpretation of the religion.

The KKK mentality is an insult to American ideals.

Ich bin der Meinung, dass solche Arschl cher wie ihr kein Recht 
darauf habt auf diesem Planet mit NORMALEN Menschen zu 
existieren!!!!!
    Offensichtlich, waren euch einige Jahre des russischen 
daseins nicht genug, Chechenien war auch kein Beispiel f r euch, 
Schweine!!! 
    Jetzt, wo ihr USA angegriefen habt, d rftet ihr gleichzeitig 
euer Todesurteil zuunterschreiben!!!
    Und die russen sind immer noch dabei, um euch in den Arsch 
zu treten. Wir hatten es fr her nicht geschafft, daf r schaffen 
wir es bald, SEHR BALD...
    Was euren bescheuerten Glauben angeht. Den Scheiss k nnt ihr 
eueren Mahomed zur ck in sein Maul stecken!!!!!!!!!
    Verpisst euch aus unserem Leben, und nimmt gleich eure Huren 
mit!!! Das was ihr an Frauen h bsches habt, w rde ich gerne erst 
durchficken und dann selber abknalen...

Fuck You!!!!
Go crawl back into the camel ass that shit you out and 
DIE!!!!!!

Glad to meet you too..Thanx dor ur kind words.
No-one got back to that message of mine.
I guess, most of the guys thought I was joking.
It wasnt, and isnt a joke.
Spy, help, if u can.
I love Islam. Please, dont be misguided by 1 man's actions.
It is too dear a religion to me, to have it insulted, because of 
the evil deeds of one man.

God Bless America, God bless Islam, Muslims and Christians, and 
may He guide us to the right path to follow, Ameen.

Peace to All..

So you're threatening the USA and it's citizens... so what??? 
You were doing that all along. You've proved to the world that 
you're a psycho and a murderer. Now I'm going to prove to the 
world that you're a wuss ass! Get your affairs in order 
asshole, 'cuz you are goin' down.

I believe the world can now see who the bad people are. The 
agents of the devil are clearly in the middle east.  They are 
the GREAT SATAN and should be treated as such.

America needs to wake up and look around, a portion of the 
worlds population wants us all dead.  I will not stand for it!

 We need to make an American Terrorist group to kill every 
muslim in the world.  We all need to take up arms not just for 
protection but to take an aggressive stance against all muslims, 
we should kill them any where we can, at their mosques, their 
schools, any where they are we should be killing them. We should 
torture their clerics, kill the parents as we make the children 
watch them die then kill them too, we should crush the skulls of 
their elderly on the streets. They are a cancer that has spread 
globally, they all must die!!!!!


To all of those I have pissed off GOOD!!!!!!!!   These are NOT 
my true feelings.  I myself know this type of hatred has no 
place in a civilized world.  To make the previous statement more 
acceptable just switch the word Muslim with American, as I see 
threats like this made everyday made towards the USA.

Once again to make it clear I DO NOT support harming anyone 
based on their religion.  so please no flames for that...

you're right,sometimes i get so mad that i just can't think 
straight and say a lot of stupid things,plus it feels good to 
just spout out.   so thanx for putting me in my place

It is a curious statment you make--"I am the only person on 
this planet who can get Bin Laden."
When you say the "right people", what would be your idea of
the right people?
Explain if you will.

T
Ther

Mr. President, I followed your press confrence 10/11/2001, and 
was realy astonished to what you said about the amount of hate 
you discovered in the middle east toward USA.
  That means your men did not report you the real facts , and 
they are biased .
  I am sending this message to you because I realy respect your 
words, not because I believe it was right ,but because I felt 
you believe in what you say.
  Ask your men to give you a report, how many times the US 
raised a VITO to protect Israel in the Security council?
  Ask your men to give you a report about the US LIBERTY, who 
attacked it on 1967, and who delibretly killed some of the US 
men on that vessel? and why it is hushed up till now?
  Israel used to follow the policy of do it your self, no 
respect to international low, nor even to the agreement signed 
by its deligates.
  Ask your men , who gave the terrorist Omar abdul Rahman a visa 
to the USA and protected him from a sentence of prison for life 
in Egypt for his terrorist crimes.
  Mr. president, believe me, we do not hate the US , but we hate 
the double standard Policy, 
It is ok if US protect a terrorist and accept to give him an 
entrance visa ,but not accepted for other countries to do the 
same.
it is O.K. if Israel attacked a US ship and killed american 
citizens, 
But if some idiots did it in Yamen they are terrorists have to 
be punished.
it is O.K if Israel violates the international low,
it is O.K. if Israel attack Libanon and occupy the southern part 
of it, 
it is O.K. if Israel hits the UN posts in Libanon,
 but it is a crime if Libanise resist that occupation, it is 
terrorism. 
it is O.K if israel violates the agreement their delgates signed 
and a previous government put it in action,
 but if some boys throw the occupation army with stones , it is 
terrorism needs the Israely army to shoot to kill those kids.
 For 12 monthes now, kids are shot,and no one cares,
The palestanians agreed the right of Israel to live and 
recognized its government and signed formal agreement, the 
Israely government now re-occupy the lands they agreed to be 
dedicated to palestanians, and deny the right of resistant and 
call these terrorism activity ,
 And the US is giving her blessing to that government.And 
speeking on their behalf with the same phrases. 
 That what we hate , not the americans
  Mr. president , if you was born in the middle east, would you 
accept such policy???
  

THEIR ARE MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS ALL AROUND THE WORLD WHO CLAIM 
THEIR RELIGION IS ONE OF PEACE AND YET THEY KILL IN THE NAME OF 
GOD, AND THEY IGNORE THE POOR AND HUNGRY PEOPLE IN ALL THE 
ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, THEIR ARE A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE VERY WEALTHY 
AND MAKE VERY GOOD MONEY AND YET ALL THEY CAN DO IS SPEND THEIR 
MONEY ON MORE WEAPONS AND FANCY CARS AND WATCH THE GENERAL 
PUBLIC SUFFER, AND IT IS THE CHRISTIANS WHO ALWAYS COMES THROUGH 
AND FEED THEIR HUNGRY PEOPLE. WHY DON'T THE MUSLIM WORLD UNITE 
AND RAISE MONEY FOR THEIR STARVING POPULATION OR CREATE JOBS SO 
PEOPLE CAN FEED THEIR FAMILIES. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH 
ABOUT THEIR RELIGION TO PUT IT DOWN BUT SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY 
WRONG IF A MAN OR WOMAN CAN NOT GET AN EDUCATION AND FEED THEIR 
FAMILY.
  THE ONE PERSON I REALLY DESPISE IS OSAMA BIN LADIN BECAUSE HE 
IS A MILLIONAIRE AND HE HAS THE GALL TO SIT BACK AND WATCH THE 
AFGAN PEOPLE STARVE AND SUFFER AND DOES NOT SPEND ONE PENNY TO 
HELP REBUILD THAT BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ALL HE CAN THINK ABOUT IS 
HOW MUCH MONEY CAN HE SPEND TO KILL AMERICANS.
   OSAMA IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION HE IS ABOUT AN EVIL CULT THAT 
NEEDS TO BE STOPPED AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
   ALL ISLAMIC PEOPLE SHOULD SHOW THE WORLD SOMETHING AND UNITE 
FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND AND REBUILD WITH THE MONEY THEY HAVE 
MADE WITH THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEY HAVE MADE FROM THEIR OIL 
FIELDS. AFTER THIS WAR IS OVER THEY SHOULD REBUILD AFGANISTAN 
I'M SURE THE U.S.A. WILL HELP, AND THEY SHOULD ALSO HELP FEED 
THE STARVING PEOPLE OF AFGANISTAN.
   I THINK IT IS A SHAME THAT THE CHILDREN OF THE U.S.A WILL 
SHOW-UP THE ISLAMIC WORLD BY DONATING THEIR FEW DOLLARS TO HELP 
FEED THE POOR CHILDREN OF AFGANISTAN THEY HAVE MORE HEART AND 
COMPASSION THAN ANY MIDDLE EAST LEADER THAT ONLY THRIST FOR MORE 
BLOODSHED.

if you believe so much in god and that he will come to rule 
again what makes you think he'll forgive you. which god awards a 
suicide terrorist for the ore you kill the merrier. you are all 
now afraid. more afraid than us because you know the end is 
coming, but who will make it happen first. God or US.

the middle east is not the source for oil. just nuke it. claim 
that some crazed GI took a plane and nuked it on his own. 
Dealing with the public is another matter, but the other 
scattered terrorist will be confused and lost.

the middle east is not the only source for oil. just nuke it. 
claim that some crazed GI took a plane and nuked it on his own. 
Dealing with the public is another matter, but the other 
scattered terrorist will be confused and lost.

TALVEZ NO ENTIENDAN MI LENGUAJE PERO SI PUEDEN ENTENDERLO QUIERO 
QUE SEPAN, QUE DESDE ALGUN LUGAR DEL MUNDO YO LOS APOYO, Y SI 
PUDIERA LOS AYUDARIA A DERROTAR A LOS ESTADOS DE NORTEAMERICA, 
NO SEA CUALES SEAN LOS MOTIVOS QUE USTEDES TENGAN PARA HACER LO 
QUE ESTAN HACIENDO PERO YO TENGO LOS MIOS PROPIOS.


                                    ALGUIEN.........

nation of the winners
nation of the little miserable childish minds never growing up, 
nation of the brains washed by CNN and other politically 
dependent mass media
nation of the shoppers and customers
nation of the pop-corn eaters
nation of the neighbours and informers
nation of the slaves to their private property, chiefs, career, 
transnational corporations and federal government
nation of the suit-and-tie consciousness
nation of Hypocrisy, Protestantism, baptism and other kinds of 
Christianity
nation of the tax payers
nation who voted Mr. G.Bush
nation who sincerely belive that osamabinladen destroyed WTC
nation having passive anal humiliation sex with their federal 
government and getting enjoy from it
nation who "won" Second World War
nation who knows war history by "Pearl Harbour" and "Saving 
Private Ryan" masterpieces
nation of the fighters 
for "freedom", "civilization", "progress", "human rights" and 
other "values" strained to have an active sex with another world
nation who evaluates real man by size of his testicles 
nation who has such pearls in their nonnormative vocabulary 
like "fuck" "shit" "big balls" "asshole" and "binladen"
nation who killed Timothy McVeigh
nation with latent haltred to their idians, niggers, mexicos, 
arabterrorists, puerto-ricans, and other goodwill people
nation who will be destroyed by their niggers, mexicos, arabs, 
puerto-ricans, and other "goodwill" people
nation ....


i got real fun reading ths messageboards
it was a kind of relaxation 
dont stop, please
tanks

Several of us were talking tonight with a expert from the oil 
imductry and he asked an interesting Question.  The Saudi Royal 
Family and some other Arab countries have been silent on our 
offensive aganist we are willing.  The oil expert pointed out to 
us on how less depended we are on Arab oil.  This started in the 
Carter Amininsistration.  In the Gulf was we get back one Arab 
county and protect the saudis from Saddam.  Why.  We can do 
without therir oil noe.  If they want to be silent, how about we 
leave the region and suffer the loss of no more UD 20 year olds 
and let the Saudi National Guard defend thenselves aganist 
Sddam.  Go ahead and get Bin Laden for Justice, and the leave.  
The Ireseal's have beat the hell of of them every time they 
tried to attack(Twice)and lost mor land each time.  These 
moderate Arab folks may need to get a little more gradteful or 
they may find themselves facing the radicals on theirr own.   
Great Bristian begged us to show in WWII an these countries act 
like they are doing us a favor.?  Why do we run over there and 
protect them everytime they ge in trouble?

do you rag head cum swillers ever bathe.......and why is every 
cunt over there has a beard.....you cunts are a pathetic 
race ....what about your bitches...you gotta peel ten layers of 
clothes off just to fuck one of them....and by the time youve 
ripped there gear off they are that dog ugly no cunt wants to 
fuck em....cause all you can smell is cunt odour......so have a 
shave and take a bath........

Dear Satan Bin Ladin and Friends;
  Good Morning you worthless piece of camel dung. The weather 
here is beautiful. Its so nice we slept with the windows open. 
Yes, we have windows in our houses and the glass is not broken.
   While I slept I had a wonderful dream about the children of 
the free world. I dreamed the battle against the Infedel Satan 
Bin Ladin was fought by the western world by chasing you around 
the world like the common murder you are. All adults in the free 
world decided to take this misson on now rather than leave such 
a horrible mess for the future of the children of the world. 
Later in my dream there was a part when your children and all 
your relatives converted to christiananty and appologised to the 
world for your sins.
   Again, the issue of Time is something you have no control of. 
So, just respond to the stimuli provided by the GREAT STUD 
GEORGE BUSH. He will provide you sleepy-time and wakey-time.
Goodbye
Freedom

I see you got your name right.

any cunt wearing a rag on there head should die..................

because you have a lot of time doing the wrong things, with the 
peopel of the world.  USA is always trying to put everything 
over the others, you made war just because you wanted, like in 
Vietnam and your own people still hate you about that.  I am 
really sorry because of the people who died in New York.  Two of 
my best firends are daed now.  But it is only the way you 
choosed.  Please stop the war in afganist n.  That women and 
children do not deserve what you are doing.

because you have a lot of time doing the wrong things, with the 
peopel of the world.  USA is always trying to put everything 
over the others, you made war just because you wanted, like in 
Vietnam and your own people still hate you about that.  I am 
really sorry because of the people who died in New York.  Two of 
my best firends are daed now.  But it is only the way you 
choosed.  Please stop the war in afganist n.  That women and 
children do not deserve what you are doing.

FUCK OFF YOU CUM GUZZLING RIVER PIG WHORE............YOUR 
TALKING SHIT!!!!!!

How dare you hide behind Islam. Even as your bombers were 
preparing to kill civilians here in America, They were sleeping 
with the whores in our streets. Religious? No at least have the 
courage to call the kettle black. You are nothing but thugs and 
criminals.....and we will treat you as such. You cause great 
suffering on your own people and lands and do all Muslims a 
disservice. And when the war is over....you'll rest with your 
friends in jail....the muggers, rapists and serial killers of 
the world. We are saving a special place for you in our jails.  

Do you mean like all of the drug dealers that send poisons to 
the children in our streets here that for the most parts are 
allowed to exist by latin American Govt? Or do you mean like the 
cartels that kill off latin american citizens to cover up their 
unholy trades? The disappeared....etc. Clean up your own house 
before you cast the first stone at ours. Your friends died 
because of fanatics and not even good religious fanatics either. 
They were sleeping with whores the night before their missions. 
Is this Islams best? I seriously doubt it. They are thugs....not 
muslims. And they are the reason your friends are dead.

I refer to your post about not going after all muslims. You are 
quite right. All Muslims are not responsible for this just as 
all americans arent responsible for the KKK. However there is 
one difference. If someone from The KKK breaks the law....they 
get jail time and OUR GOVT watches these negative fringe groups. 
The muslim world tolerates their own versions of the local KKK 
unless.....they stir up trouble in their own country. Their lack 
of action has given these groups what amounts to free run of the 
rest of the world. I am not blaming all muslims for this because 
actually most muslims arent even Arab but the Arab world is the 
example that most muslims follow. If the leaders of the Arab 
world wont stand up to its lunatic fringe, then they are no 
longer its leaders but its followers. It is time for them to 
grow up and take a stand. Think about it.....almost 7,000 people 
lost their lives in one attack! That amounts to a medium size 
city in most countries. Why arent they outraged at this barbaric 
loss of life? Why arent they screaming at the top of their lungs 
at the injustice? Most of the people in those buildings probably 
could care less what happened in the middle east yet they are 
the ones suffering? Some werent even from America(Alot). Did 
they deserve to die also? Yet the Royal Saudi Prince comes here 
offering money and adds (It is America's policies that brought 
this on!} What nerve? We should claim that when our bombs go 
astray and kill the innocent afghans but we dont. I am truly 
hurt that a few have to die that are in the way. I even have 
reservations about bombing the Taliban, scum as they are. 
But.....they hide from justice under their women. Even here they 
hide behind our women. And if we lrrve this attrocity 
unanwsered....it can only happen again. I understand your point 
that we shouldnt blame all Muslims for this dark chapter in 
history, truly I do. But their comes a time when we must all 
stand up for whats right. Now is the time that a few Muslims 
need to come to the fore front and lead their people from the 
dark ages of the past. Now is the time for leadership in the 
ARAB WORLD to be heard. And not heard like a mouse squeaking in 
the dark corners of the room but as a Screaming Lion on the 
plains. I cried the other day for the first time. It wasnt when 
they showed the buildings fall. It wasnt when they said almost 
7,000 people died. Those are all numbers and concrete. I cried 
when one Television Station broadcast the names of all those 
that died. That made it personal and that made this act of 
cowardness what it is: INHUMAN!    

Does standing up for what is right mean shooting store owners in 
the US because their skin isn't white?  Does it mean attacking 
and beating someone in America becase they wear a turban?  There 
are Sikhs, Muslims, Hispanics, etc. being attacked and beated in 
hate crimes all across our fair country just because they aren't 
white.  Is that the kind of 'justice' and liberty we're about? 
THEY didn't have anything to do with the WTC--

What do you mean, they hide behind our women? 

I have seen many Muslims crying about what happened as well.  I 
have heard from many who believe as you do, that what happened 
was inhuman.  There are many who are working toward improving 
the quality of life for the downtrodden people of Afghanistan.

have you visited the site for RAWA?  You will see there, that 
most of the people living there are not particularly thrilled 
with what is happening to them. They are like the Jews in 
concentration camps, living under a despotic ruler.  They 
certainly are not hiding behind their women there--women have NO 
rights, (and men have few) and are beaten or stoned in the 
streets if they are perceived by the Taliban to have 'sinned'.  
Men are scalped or skinned if their hair is too long or their 
beard too short.  Take a look and then tell me these people WANT 
to live that way.  Careful, it might bring a tear to your eye.

Check it out if you hven't, yet.  It's quite educational:  
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/

Hiding behind their women?

On April 27, 2000, several Taliban, whips in hand, went to Dr. 
Nader Sina's dental office located in the New City of Herat, 
while the doctor was busy with filling some women's teeth. On 
the pretext that the women were not accompanied by relatives to 
chaperone them, they whipped them, jailed the doctor for two 
days, and closed the clinic. They threatened the doctor that if 
he does such a thing again, the clinic will be closed 
permanently. It should be noted that there are no female 
dentists in Herat. 

Eyewitness accounts of Taliban massacre in Yakaolang 

By RAWA reporters, June 2001



The massacre of around 300 people in Yakaolang, which took place 
on 9th January 2001 by the Taliban, has been observed without 
much ado by the governments and media of the world. In a 
situation where our country has been besieged politically and 
economically by regional and global powers, the voice of our 
nation is bound captive in the claws of fundamentalists and 
their foreign guardians, thus remaining unheard. RAWA, which 
considers itself the loyal ally to the desires of the people of 
Afghanistan, and especially the deeply pained women of the 
country, takes as its revolutionary duty to break the 
fundamentalists' and their foreign allies' blockade of silence 
and to carry the just voices of our oppressed people to every 
nook and corner of the world. 

The eyewitnesses interviewed by RAWA had been war captive of the 
Taliban, Arabs and Pakistanis; they recall the depth of the 
matter in this way: 

"Sufi Gardizi the military commander and representative of 
Taliban in Yakaolang is a very sick man, fanatical and 
factionalist. Before the day of the massacre of the people of 
Yakaolang, Sufi Gurdizi fanned a policy of discord between the 
tribe of Sadat and Hazara. He gathered supporters amongst 
Khalqis, Purchamis (Khaliq and Parcham were two fictions of PDPA 
a puppet party of Russia) and Nasries (members of a pro-Iran 
party called Nasr) who were enforcing his commands such as Gulam 
Ali, General Hayat Ullah Khalqi, Sheikh Raza Saeedi, Syed Jawad, 
Syed Abdullah and others. One month before the tragedy of 
Yakaolang rumor spread that Karim Khalili was making preparation 
for an assault against the Taliban. Taliban and Jawadi (on 
behalf of the Nasries) gave assurance to the people that on the 
basis of the agreement between Taliban and Khalili at the Suof 
valley, they would not attack Yakaolang. At the middle of 
December the forces of Khalili started to move from the area of 
Suof valley towards Bameyan. Preparation was made by Sufi 
Gardizi, his assistant (Niaz Muhammad) and General Khadim Khalqi 
against the possible attack of Khalili. 

The first clash took place at the Gum Aab. General Khadim and 
Hayat (Khalqi) lost the battle to Khalili, but the fighting 
continued both sides moved towards Yakaolang. After some clashes 
the forces of Khalili entered Yakaolang on 2nd of January. Six 
days later Khalili and Co. gathered the people of different 
villages and a man known by the name of Khuda Dad Urfani, who 
introduced himself as the welfare minister of the government of 
Rabbani, gave a speech in which he said: "This time we will not 
act like in the past. We will not sell lice (fighters of Hezb-e-
Wahdat were used to block the roads in areas under their control 
and forcibly sell their lice on passengers and get huge amount 
of money from them); will not show the dance of the death (one 
of the brutal crimes committed by Hezb-e-Wahdat was to chop off 
the head of their victims and then put boiled oil on it to stop 
the bleeding and then they enjoy the movements of the victims 
till he breaths his last. They were calling it "Dance of the 
death". There are many reports of this wild act by them), we 
will not sell opium to the fronts. We have read these things in 
Payam-e-Zan and it is shameful for us to record what went before 
once again in the books of history". 

On 7th of January Taliban started their counter attacks towards 
the sub-province and after two days of war, the armed men of 
Khalili escaped and the district of Yakaolang once again came 
under the control of Taliban. 

On 9th of January Taliban surrendered the center of the sub-
province and Dra Ali which contain the following villages: 
Bugandak, Nazar Shah, Qala Shah Nang, Mandeek, Gubandi, Kushkak, 
Akhundan, Dahan Shorab, Sar-e-Asyab, Khata Khana, and 
Bedmishkin. The Arabs and Pakistanis were in charge of searching 
house by house. A very horrendous and intimidating atmosphere 
prevailed over the area. Women and children were mourning 
loudly. Blood flowed in the eyes of young and old men, as their 
hands were tied behind their backs with their turbans. No one 
was there to come to the relief of those innocent and hapless 
people. Khalili had escaped and empty-handed people left to wait 
for punishment of Taliban. A very small number of people 
succeeded to take their families to the nearby mountains and 
remained secure. The decree of Mullah Omar and Arabs had been 
issued as such: "Behead all men whose age is greater than 12, 
let it be a warning lesson for the Sadat and Hazara survivors of 
the Yakaolang". The command of massacre was carried out within 
three days. They tied the hands of people on their back 
immediately after their arrest and carried them to the sub-
province under the watchful eyes of Arabs and Pakistanis. 

They had chosen the place of mass execution on the back of the 
building of Oxfam, a hospital near Shor Aab (back of the house 
of Syed Hasan Karimi). They lined up the victims of such 
horrible crime against each other and then fired in turn on 
them. Brother was watching the death of his brother and uncle 
was watching the death of his nephew who himself was about to be 
shot dead in a moment. 


  

 Mass graves in Bedmishkin village where the victims are buried.
Click on the photo to view more photos

 
Syed Hamid Ullah, Syed Muhammad Bakhsh, Haji Gulam Hasain and 
Syed Muhammad (eye witness of the massacre of Yakaolang) 
unbelievably and miraculously survived this slaughterhouse. They 
have witnessed the killing of their relatives by the Taliban. 
Syed Habib Ullah a teacher was trapped in the snare of Taliban, 
recall his story like this: 

"I with twelve other men became the prey of Taliban. They tied 
our hands with the ropes on our back and moved us towards the 
sub-province. Our guards were Arabs and Pakistanis. When we 
reached the river, they didn't allow us to take off our shoes. 
The weather was extremely cold and snowy. After passing the 
river our clothes and legs changed to a piece of ice. They 
didn't allow any of us to talk. The distance from the village to 
the center of the sub-province was about an hour. During the way 
the humiliation and beating by Arabs and Pakistanis continued. 

They kept us in the neighborhood of the building of O.P.S. A man 
by the name of Adul Hameed who was Tajik and my student, 
interceded for me and Syed Sharaf. He went to tell Taliban that 
we belong to the nationality of Tajik and are the true followers 
of the last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They separated three of us 
from the other twelve people, and took the remaining to the 
front of the building of Oxfam and positioned them facing the 
wall. In this massacre the number of Pakistanis and Arabs 
exceeded the Taliban. A quarrel broke out amongst them, each one 
of them wanted to do the killing with his own hands and gain the 
blessing of becoming a Ghazi (According to Islamic traditions a 
person becomes Ghazi by killing the enemy of Islam, but in 
Afghanistan people also call anyone who fight foreign 
aggressors. Tr). Meanwhile they lined up some other men 
including teacher Syed Amin, targeted their face and hearts and 
in turn shot them to dead with the Klashnikovs. We saw bodies 
dieing with great difficulty. Amongst them there were semi-dead 
bodies that cried for help. The dreadful hours and the nightmare 
of that day was a deep blow in our heart and soul, which would 
never be forgotten by us till the end of our lives. They allowed 
three of us to go to our homes. Next day, they killed my brother 
in front of the eyes of his wife and children when he left his 
underground hiding place and tried to escape. 

Three village elders who succeeded in escaping from the 
slaughterhouse of Taliban describe their stories as follow: 

"We were taken to the back of the building of Oxfam (British 
NGO). They separated three of us from the other 24 people. They 
immediately shot down the remaining ones. The bullet was 
striking at the head and face of our sons, brothers, nephews, 
uncles and other relatives. Their blood-smeared bodies covered 
the ground. After 15 minutes while beating and humiliating us, 
they dragged us towards the dead bodies of our relatives. Just 
looking at them closely we were about to lose our consciousness. 
Whatever the situation was we had to keep our senses. Curses and 
threats of death by the Taliban continued. Trembling of the 
hands and feet of our relatives was the indication to help them. 
At the front side of the ground, a vehicle was ready to carry 
the dead and semi-dead bodies. Consecutive blows of the stock of 
the rifles increased the pain of our bodies. How could I help 
the semi-dead people? With the force of the gun they compelled 
us to throw them inside the vehicle like stone and wood. With 
the help of sordid Taliban we carried them to Shor Aab and once 
again with threat and beating unloaded the car. If we could have 
helped, some of them could have lived, but the wild slaves 
stopped us from helping the wounded people. After the end of the 
work while being exhausted we were allowed to leave and make our 
way towards the village. On reaching near the village we heard 
the moan and cry of women and children. We asked an old lady 
what is the matter? She said: 'they took all men with them and 
plundered whatever they found'. 

"Four days later Taliban allowed us to bury the martyrs. There 
and in the surrounding villages we had no clue of any man to 
help us in carrying and burying them". The village of Bedmishkin 
had 34 martyrs that were recognized by these three men and were 
carried to the shrine within three days. "Another two days 
passed till with the help of some old men from Gird Baid village 
and Khum Astana we prepared a mass grave for the dead bodies. 
The people of village cannot forget the burning pain of that day 
forever. For the old mothers, grief-stricken women and miserable 
children that have seen the dead bodies of their fathers, 
husband and sons in that freezing cold weather, martyred by the 
brutal hands of the Taliban and their Arab and Pakistani 
counterparts on the pretext of being Hazara or Syed, must be the 
unluckiest day and most probably the end of their lives. The 
fate of another 165 martyrs also finished in the same way and 
the survivors sat in sorrow. After this horrible and disgraceful 
incident took place, the forces of Khalili again took control of 
the city. Khalili, leader of Hezb-e-Whadat (Unity Party), this 
infamous servant of Iranian regime, came to pray for the dead on 
their graves. Everyone including old men and women of the 
village at the same day reached the graveyard. After finding 
Kalili there, they all started to shout and cry "why has this 
man come to the graveyard while he himself had a hand in the 
killing of our sons?" 

One night, before the massacre of the people of Yakaolang in the 
area of Dah Surk, Aziz Topchi had proposed to attack the sub-
province at night because Taliban were not well informed of the 
area. But Khalili in reply had told him: "Let Taliban come and 
kill everyone so in the future people react and fight against 
them". You can very easily judge the personality of this traitor 
and his feeling for his people, from such sentences, even though 
he claims himself to be their leader. 

"After the massacre of the innocent people of our village, the 
plundering and looting of the property of people came. Taliban 
looted the people in the same amount as armed men of Khalili did 
before and after the massacre. The eyewitnesses said that the 
gunmen of the two wings searched houses, and took money, 
jewelry, tape recorders and other expensive things. For example 
70 million Afghani in cash was taken from the house of Syed 
Raheem "Khum Astana", 30 million cash from the house of Syed 
Asad Ullah of "Bedmishkin village" about one million and sixty 
hundred thousand from the wife of Syed Ghazfar and etc. Beside 
looting and plundering, the inhuman act of Taliban and Arabs 
continued by the raping of women and girls. Violating the honor 
of Sulatan's daughter is the tip of the iceberg. 

After all that adversity, the old men and women decided to leave 
the area. The sad and horrifying tale of their journey in that 
cold weather, traveling by foot from one mountain to another 
mountain, by itself is another story that the eyewitnesses have 
described with tears in their eyes. It is enough to understand 
that in past winters, people spent six month of the season in 
their homes, not even thinking of traveling outside the area. 

The fact that the world has not heard about nor attended to the 
atrocities of the Taliban and the massacre of Yakaolang in the 
depth in which it should leaves the Taliban free to pretend that 
the matter did not occur. If we pay attention to the Radio 
Shariat interview with the two Taliban servants by the name of 
Taqadus and Tawab Hydarey, who themselves are ethnic Hazara we 
can find out how they want to deny everything by saying, "the 
enemies of the Islamic Emirate want to make an important matter 
out of the incident of Yakaolang. No killing has occurred there 
and we deny it. The people of Yakaolang should consider the 
rightfulness of the Islamic Emirate." 

Behind these acts only one policy is lurking and it is ethnic 
cleansing. The people of Shamali (northern areas) and other 
places are also victim of such incidents. The massacre of 
Yakaolang will not be the end of such measures taken by the 
Taliban. Unfortunately our people will be waiting for even worse 
days with more of these kinds of savage and inhuman acts, which 
are dictated by fundamentalists and their foreign masters. 

A Hazara woman "M" from Bedmishkin village describes her 
sorrowful story: 

"We were at our home when Taliban rushed in and started 
searching the whole house. I pleaded for mercy and showed Holy 
Quran to them but they threw the Quran into the heater. They 
destroyed all our possessions even the food items and took the 
expensive materials with them. 

My brother ran away when he was informed that Taliban are 
patrolling everywhere. He had hidden himself at the back of a 
wall but he was discovered by Taliban and killed on the spot. 
After two days we were informed by Taliban to take the wounded 
body of my brother but we found his dead body in a very bad 
condition. The freezing weather has stuck his wounded body to 
the ground. 

It had turned to a normal habit that whenever we heard firing we 
used to cover our children with quilt just to give them a 
psychological protection against noisy sound of firings and now 
the children have become used to that so even in Pakistan when 
they hear some noise they wrap themselves in the quilts. 

My mother's cousin, Yahya who was a pretty young boy was killed 
in the same way by the Taliban. Taliban entered their house and 
took him out and killed him right across from their gate. This 
happened early in the morning and the dead body was lying over 
there till night when his wife and his five children came out 
late at night to search for their father. His body received 
several bullets, indicating that he had resisted to Taliban 
torture. The snow around him had been turned red. Taliban 
stopped his wife and children while they were trying to take his 
dead body back home. His wife and two other elder women pleaded 
a lot with Taliban to release the dead body but the Taliban 
turned down any plea. Taliban beat Yahya's wife so much that she 
nearly died. Late at night when the Taliban vacated the area, 
Yahya's relatives, all women brought his dead body back home and 
buried him there." 

"N.B" widow of a victim (Wali) describes: 

"Taliban entered into our houses and set everything on fire. My 
husband ran away and told me he would not return until a month. 
An hour later I heard firing near my house but I ignored it as I 
thought it might be the usual firing. Two days later, a 7 years 
old boy knocked on our door at night and informed us that Uncle 
Wali had been killed by Taliban. I couldn't believe it because I 
thought that Wali had gone to Kabul. He said Wali's dead body is 
lying at the back of the wall. I couldn't bear that sad 
condition. Taliban had killed him near the wall while he was 
trying to flee. His eyes and mouth were open and his teeth had 
turned blue by the chilling weather. The cruel Taliban have 
searched his pocket and took his whole belongings. His blood had 
dried up and had stuck him to the ground. I was alone and 
couldn't move his dead body and there was no one else in the 
house to help me. Wali's dead body remained there for one day 
more until I found two men who brought his dead body to our 
house and I myself buried him. We stayed there for a week then I 
along with some other families immigrated to Pakistan. My 6 
month-old baby caught a severe coughing-cold on the way and died 
before reaching Pakistan. The agony of my husband and my baby is 
still burning in my heart and I remember each and every moment 
of those disastrous days. 

My uncle was arrested by Taliban, who accused him of having 
hidden weapon. He was a poor peasant who had no link with any 
armed group. Taliban took him out of his house and shot him 
before his relatives. His mother and his wife begged Taliban to 
allow them to bury his dead body but Taliban didn't allow any 
one to go close to him. His mother was looking after his dead 
body for three days so that the dogs wouldn't eat him. When 
Taliban left the place they buried him. 

Our neighbor, whose husband had been killed many years ago, was 
living with her children. When Taliban left the village to 
patrol and kill the young people in other villages, she took her 
youngest son along with her and went to mountains and told her 
other sons to remain in the basement room. After several days 
when she came back, her elder son had died of cold. For several 
days she kept the dead body of her son in the house because 
Taliban didn't allow the people to bury the dead bodies." 

Another widow: 

"We were at our home when Taliban rushed into our house and 
searched the whole house. They asked about the men and we told 
them that all the men were taken by Taliban and we don't have 
any news of their whereabouts. They took 10,000,000 Afghanis 
(around US$160) from one house and 800,000,000 Afghanis from 
another house. Taliban killed my husband, brother-in-law and my 
sister's husband who were young." 

Testimone Oculare Racconta il Massacro Perpetrato dai Talebani a 
Yakaolang 

Reporter RAWA, giugno 2001



Il massacro di circa 300 persone a Yakaolang che   stato 
perpetrato in data di 9 gennaio 2001 dai talebani   stato 
osservato senza velo alcuno dai rappresentanti di governi e 
della stampa straniera di varie parti del mondo. In una 
situazione in cui il nostro paese   stato soffocato dalle 
potenze locali e globali, la voce della nostra nazione   zittiva 
dalla stretta dei fondamentalisti e dei loro custodi stranieri e 
quindi non viene ascoltata. RAWA che si considera l'alleata 
fedele dei desideri del popolo afgano e soprattutto delle donne 
profondamente sofferenti di questo paese, si   fatta carico del 
dovere rivoluzionario di infrangere il blocco dei 
fondamentalisti e dei loro alleati stranieri e di farsi 
portavoce del nostro popolo oppresso fino agli angoli pi  remoti 
del mondo. 

I testimoni oculari intervistati da RAWA sono stati tutti 
prigionieri di guerra dei talebani, degli arabi e dei pakistani; 
essi raccontano quanto   successo nel modo che segue : 

"Sufi Gardizi, il comandante militare e il rappresentante dei 
talebani a Yakaolang   un uomo molto malvagio, fanatico e 
fazioso. Prima del giorno del massacro della gente di Yakaolang, 
Sufi Gardizi aveva fomentato una politica di discordia fra le 
trib  di Sadat e di Hazara. Egli ha raccolto sostenitori fra i 
Khalqis, i Purchamis (Khaliq e Parcham erano due fazioni del 
PDPA, il partito fantoccio della Russia) e i Nasries (membri del 
partito sostenitore dell'Iran chiamato Nasr) che stavano 
rafforzando i suoi comandi con persone come Gulam Al , il 
Generale Hayat Ullah Khalqi, lo sceicco Raza Saeedi, Syed Jawad, 
Syed Abdullah e altri ancora. Un mese prima della tragedia di 
Yakaolang, si erano diffuse voci che Karim Khalili stava facendo 
preparativi per un attacco contro i talebani. I talebani e gli 
Jawadi (per conto dei Nasries) hanno rassicurato il popolo che 
in base all'accordo fra i talebani e Khalil  nella valle di 
Suof, essi non avrebbero attaccato Yakaolang. A met  dicembre, 
le forze di Khalil  hanno iniziato a muoversi dalla zona della 
valle di Suof verso Bameyan. Sufi Gardizi, il suo assistente 
(Niaz Muhammad) e il Generale Khadim Khalqi, si stavano 
p5reparando contro un possibile attacco da parte di Khalil . 

Il primo attacco ha avuto luogo a Gum Aab. Il Generale Khadim e 
Hayat (Khalqi) hanno perso la battaglia contro Khalil , ma il 
combattimento continuava mentre le due parti si muovevano verso 
Yakaolang. Dopo alcuni scontri le forze dei Khalil  entrarono a 
Yakaolang il 2 gennaio. Sei giorni pi  tardi Khalil  e i suoi 
sostenitori raccolsero le persone di diversi villaggi e un uomo 
chiamato Khuda Dad Urfani, che si   presentato come ministro del 
benessere del governo di Rabbani, ha fatto un discorso in cui ha 
detto : "Questa volta noi non agiremo come in passato. Noi non 
venderemo minacce (i combattenti come Hezb-e-Wahdat erano soliti 
bloccare le strade nelle zone sotto il loro controllo e 
minacciare i passeggeri da cui ricevavano forti importi di 
denaro); non faremo la danza della morte (uno dei crimini pi  
brutali commessi da Hezb-e-Wahdat era di mozzare la testa delle 
sue vittime e di versarci sopra dell'olio bollente per 
interrompere il flusso di sangue osservando con sadico piacere i 
movimenti delle vittime in questione fino al loro ultimo 
respiro. Essi chiamavano questo "Danza della morte". Ci sono 
molte relazioni che documentano queste cose), non venderemo 
oppio sul fronte. Abbiamo letto questi fatti a Payam-e-Zam e per 
noi   una vergogna registrare questi fatti vergognosi che ancora 
una volta entreranno nei libri di storia". 

Il 7 gennaio i talebani hanno iniziato il loro contrattacco 
contro la sotto-provincia e dopo due giorni di guerra i soldati 
di Khalil  sono scappati e il distretto di Yokaolang   tornato 
di nuovo sotto il controllo dei talebani. 

Il 9 gennaio i talebani hanno abbandonato il centro della sotto-
provincia e Dra Ali che contiene i seguenti villaggi : Bugandak, 
Nazar Shah, Qala Shah Nang, Mandeek, Gubandi, Kushkak, Akhundan, 
Dahan Shorab, Sar-e-Asyab, Khata Khana e Bedmishkin. Gli arabi e 
i pakistani erano incaricati di fare ricerche casa per casa. 
Nell'area prevaleva un'atmosfera orrenda e intimidatoria. Le 
donne e i bambini piangevano i loro morti ad alta voce. Gli 
occhi dei giovani e dei vecchi erano iniettati di sangue, perch  
avevano le mani legate dietro la schiena con i loro turbanti. 
Non c'era nessuno in quel luogo che si facesse carico di 
consolare quelle persone innocenti e infelici. Khalil  era 
scappato e la povera gente era rimasta in attesa della punizione 
dei talebani. Un numero piccolissimo di persone era riuscito a 
portare le proprie famiglie sulle vicine montagne e rimasero 
sicuri. Il decreto di Mullah Omar e degli arabi 
era : "Decapitare tutti gli uomini di et  superiore a 12 anni 
affinch  sia di monito per i sopravvissuti Sadat e Hazara 
dell'area di Yakaolang". L'ordine di massacro   stato effettuato 
in tre giorni. I soldati hanno legato immediatamente le mani 
dietro alle spalle della gente dopo l'arresto e li hanno 
condotti nella sotto-provincia sotto gli occhi vigili di arabi e 
pakistani. 

Essi hanno scelto come luogo per l'esecuzione di massa il retro 
di un edificio di Oxfam, un ospedale vicino a Shor Aab (dietro 
alla casa di Syed Hasan Karim ). Essi hanno allineato le vittime 
di questo orrendo crimine una contro l'altra e poi gli hanno 
sparato contro a turno. Il fratello vedeva la morte di suo 
fratello e lo zio vedeva la morte di suo nipote e anche lui 
sarebbe stato ucciso entro breve tempo. 


  

 Fosse comuni nel villaggio di Bedmishkin dove sono seppellite 
le vittime. 
Clicca sulla foto per vedere altre foto di RAWA

 
Syed Hamid Ullah, Syed Muhammed Bakhsh, Haji Gulam Hasain e Syed 
Muhammed (testimoni oculari del massacro di Yakaolang) sono 
sopravvissuti incredibilmente e miracolosamente a questa 
carneficina. Essi sono stati testimoni dell'assassinio dei loro 
parenti da parte dei talebani. Syed Habib Ullah, un insegnante 
intrappolato nella trappola dei talebani, racconta come segue la 
sua storia: 

Tombe di massa nel villaggio di Bedmishkin dove sono sepolte le 
vittime. Cliccare sulla foto per vedere altre fotografie 

"Io, insieme ad altri 12 uomini, siamo diventati la preda dei 
talebani. Essi ci hanno legato le mani dietro alla schiena con 
la corda e ci hanno fatto muovere verso la sotto-provincia. Le 
nostre guardie erano arabi e pakistani. Quando abbiamo raggiunto 
il fiume, essi non ci hanno permesso di toglierci le scarpe. Il 
clima era estremamente freddo e nevoso. La distanza dal 
villaggio al centro della sub-provincia era di circa un'ora. Per 
tutto il tragitto, gli arabi e i pakistani hanno continuato ad 
umiliarci e a picchiarci. 

Essi ci hanno tenuti nelle vicinanze dell'edificio O.P.S. Un 
uomo chiamato Adul Hameed che era un Tajik e che era stato mio 
studente ha intercesso per me e per Syed Sharaf. Egli ha detto 
ai talebani che eravamo Tajik e veri seguaci dell'ultimo Profeta 
Maometto (PBUH). Essi hanno separato tre di noi dalle altre 12 
persone e hanno portato gli altri davanti all'edificio di Oxam, 
sistemandoli in modo che guardassero il muro. Durante questo 
massacro, il numero dei pakistani e degli arabi era superiore a 
quello dei talebani. Fra di loro scoppi  un litigio, in quanto 
ognuno di essi voleva perpetrare con le proprie mani gli omicidi 
per ricevere la qualifica di Ghazi (secondo le tradizioni 
islamiche, una persona diventa Ghazi uccidendo i nemici 
dell'Islam, ma in Afghanistan viene chiamato Ghazi chiunque 
uccida gli aggressori stranieri). Nel frattempo essi avevano 
allineato alcune persone fra cui l'insegnante Syed Amin, mirando 
ai loro volti e ai loro cuori e a turno sparavano loro con i 
Kalashnikov. Abbiamo visto i corpi di persone che morivano in 
modo estremamente lento. Fra questi c'erano i corpi di persone 
moribonde che gridavano chiedendo aiuto. Le terribili ore e 
l'incubo di quella giornata si incisero profondamente nei nostri 
cuori e nella nostra anima che non potranno mai dimenticare quei 
fatti per tutta la durata della nostra vita. Essi permisero a 
tre di noi di tornare a casa. Il giorno dopo, essi uccisero mio 
fratello davanti agli occhi di sua moglie e dei suoi bambini 
quando   uscito dal suo nascondiglio sottoterra e cerc  di 
scappare. 

Tre anziani di villaggi che sono riusciti a scappare dalla 
carneficina talebana, raccontano le loro storie come segue : 

"Siamo stati condotti sul retro dell'edificio di Oxam (NGO 
britannico). Essi hanno separato tre di noi dalle altre 24 
persone e hanno poi sparato immediatamente contro le restanti 
persone. Le pallottole venivano sparate sulla testa e sulla 
faccia dei nostri figli, fratelli, nipoti, zii e altri parenti. 
Il terreno era coperto dai loro corpi macchiati di sangue. Dopo 
15 minuti durante i quali ci picchiavano e ci umiliano, essi ci 
trascinarono verso i corpi morti dei nostri parenti Il solo 
fatto di vedere quei poveri corpi quasi non ci fece perdere 
conoscenza. Qualunque la situazione, per , dovevamo restare 
vigili. Le bestemmie e le minacce di morte dei talebani 
continuavano. Le mani e i piedi tremanti erano un segno per 
aiutare quei poveri corpi. Sul lato anteriore del campo, un 
veicolo era pronto a portare via i morti e i moribondi. I colpi 
secchi inferteci con il calcio dei fucili fecero aumentare la 
paura per la nostra vita. Come potevo aiutare queste persone 
moribonde? Sotto la minaccia dei fucili, essi ci costringevano a 
gettarli all'interno del veicolo come se si fosse trattato di 
sassi o di legno. Con l'aiuto degli sporchi talebani li portammo 
a Shor Aab e anche questa volta dovemmo scaricare il mezzo sotto 
i colpi e sotto le minacce. Se avessimo potuto aiutarli, alcuni 
di loro sarebbero sopravvissuti, ma quei lacch  selvaggi ci 
impedirono di aiutare i feriti. Al termine del lavoro che ci 
rese esausti, ci lasciarono tornare nei nostri villaggi. Dopo 
aver raggiunto il primo villaggio sentimmo il pianto di lutto 
delle donne e dei bambini. Chiedemmo a una donna anziana cosa 
fosse successo e lei ci rispose: "Essi hanno con s  tutti gli 
uomini e hanno saccheggiato tutto quello che hanno trovato". 

"Quattro giorni pi  tardi i talebani ci permisero di seppellire 
i martiri. In quel villaggio e in quelli vicini, non conoscevamo 
nessuno che ci potesse aiutare a portare e a seppellire i 
morti". Il villaggio di Bedmishkin aveva avuto 34 martiri che 
sono stati riconosciuti dalle tre persone che ho citato sopra e 
che sono stati portati nell'ossario entro tre giorni". Passarono 
altri due giorni prima che, grazie all'aiuto di alcuni anziani 
del villaggio di Gird Baid e di Khuma Astana, potessimo 
preparare una fossa comune per i morti. Le persone del villaggio 
non potranno mai dimenticare il dolore bruciante di quella 
giornata. Per le madri anziane, le donne schiacciate dal lutto e 
i poveri bambini che hanno visto i corpi dei loro padri, dei 
loro mariti e dei loro figli con quel freddo pungente, 
martirizzati dalle mani brutali dei talebani e delle loro 
controparti arabe e pakistane, con la scusa che fossero Hazara o 
Syed, quella deve essere stata la giornata pi  infelice e molto 
probabilmente, per molti di loro,   stata la fine della loro 
vita. Il destino di altri 165 martiri ha seguito la stessa fine 
degli altri e ai sopravvissuti non restava che il dolore. Dopo 
questo fatto terribile e tragico, le forze di Khalil  hanno 
preso di nuovo il controllo della citt . I Khalil , guidati da 
Hezb-e-Whadat (Il Partito di Unit ), questo vile lacch  del 
regime iraniano, hanno fatto incetta dei defunti nelle loro 
tombe. Tutti, compresi gli anziani e le donne del villaggio, 
hanno raggiunto la loro tomba. Dopo aver visto Khalil  in quel 
posto, tutti loro si sono messi a gridare "Perch  quest'uomo   
venuto alle nostre tombe pur avendo le mani macchiate del sangue 
dei nostri figli?" 

Una notte, prima che il popolo di Yakaolang nell'area di Dah 
Surk fosse massacrato, Aziz Topchi aveva proposto di attaccare 
la sotto-provincia di notte, in quanto i talebani non 
conoscevano bene la zona. Ma Khalili rispose : "Lascia venire i 
talebani e lascia che uccidano tutti, in modo che poi le persone 
reagiranno e combatteranno contro di loro". Potete giudicare 
facilmente la personalit  di questo traditore e i sentimenti che 
provava verso la sua gente, anche se egli sostiene di essere il 
loro capo. 

"Dopo il massacro delle persone innocenti del nostro 
villaggio, , arrivarono il sacco e le ruberie ai danni dei beni 
delle persone. I talebani derubarono la gente nella stessa 
misura dei soldati di Khalil  prima e dopo il massacro. I 
testimoni oculari dissero che i soldati armati delle due fazioni 
entravano nelle case e portavano via soldi, gioielli, 
registratori e altri oggetti di valore. Per esempio, dalla casa 
di Syed Raheem "Khuna Astana" sono stati portati via 30 milioni 
in contanti e da quella di Syed Asad Ullah del villaggio 
di "Bedmishkin" circa un milione, mentre dalla casa della moglie 
di Syed Ghazfar seicento mila, ecc. Oltre a derubare e a 
saccheggiare, i talebani e gli arabi perpetravano altri atti di 
disumanit  continuando a violentare le ragazze e le donne. La 
punta dell'iceberg   la violenza contro l'onore della figlia di 
Sulatan. 

Dopo tutte queste avversit , gli anziani e le vecchie del 
villaggio decisero di abbandonare la zona. Il racconto di quel 
terribile e triste viaggio in quel freddo inverno, fatto a piedi 
attraversando una montagna dopo l'altra,   in se stessa un'altra 
storia che i testimoni oculari hanno raccontato con le lacrime 
agli occhi. Questo   abbastanza per capire perch  durante i 
passati inverni, le persone hanno trascorso sei mesi dell'anno 
senza pensare minimamente a spostarsi da quella zona. 

Il fatto che nelle altre parti del mondo non si abbiano avuto 
notizie delle atrocit  dei talebani o del massacro di Yakaolang 
in modo sufficiente, permette ai talebani di essere liberi di 
sostenere che quei fatti non sono mai successi. Se ascoltiamo le 
interviste di Radio Shariat ai due lacch  talebani chiamati 
Taqadus e Tawad Hydarey, che sono di razza Hazara, possiamo 
notare quanto essi neghino tutto dicendo che "i nemici 
dell'Emirato Islamico vogliono trasformare in un problema 
importante l'incidente di Yakaolang. Nessuno   stato ucciso in 
quella zona e noi lo neghiamo. Le persone di Yakaolang devono 
rispettare i giusti diritti dell'Emirato Islamico". 

Oltre a questi atti incresciosi, c'  la politica della pulizia 
etnica. Le persone di Shamali (regioni settentrionali) e di 
altre zone sono state a loro volta vittime di questo tipo di 
incidenti. Il massacro di Yakaolang non   l'ultima di queste 
misure prese dai talebani. Sfortunatamente, la nostra gente non 
si pu  aspettare che giorni anche peggiori con atti selvaggi e 
disumani, dettati dai fondamentalisti e dai loro padroni 
stranieri". 

Una donna Hazara "M" del villaggio di Bedmishkin racconta la sua 
storia dolorosa: 

"Ci trovavamo a casa nostra quando i talebani si sono 
precipitati dentro cercando in tutta la casa. Ho chiesto la loro 
piet  e ho mostrato loro il Sacro Corano ma essi lo hanno 
gettato nella stufa accesa. Hanno poi distrutto tutte le nostre 
cose, anche le suppellettili da cucina portandosi via i beni 
costosi. 

Mio fratello   scappato dopo aver saputo che i talebani stavano 
rastrellando ogni centimetro della zona. Si era nascosto dietro 
a un muro ma   stato scoperto dai talebani e ucciso sul posto. 
Due giorni dopo siamo stati informati dai talebani di andare a 
riprenderci il corpo di nostro fratello ferito, ma lo abbiamo 
trovato morto con il cadavere in pessime condizioni. Il clima 
gelido aveva incollato il suo corpo ferito a terra. 

Per noi   diventata un'abitudine quando sentiamo gli spari di 
coprire i nostri bambini con il qilt per dar loro supporto 
psicologico contro il rumore degli spari e ora i bambini si sono 
abituati a questo anche in Pakistan e quando sentono dei rumori 
si nascondono sotto il qilt. 

Il cugino di mia madre, Yahya, che un ragazzo giovane e bello,   
stato ucciso allo stesso modo dai talebani. I talebani sono 
entrati in casa e gli hanno sparato proprio davanti al cancello. 
Questo   successo di mattina presto e il corpo morto   rimasto 
l  fino alla notte quando sua moglie e i suoi cinque figli sono 
usciti per cercare il loro padre. Il suo corpo   stato colpito 
da parecchie pallottole, il che   sintomo del fatto che aveva 
resistito alle torture dei talebani. La neve intorno a lui si 
era tinta di rosso. I talebani non permisero a sua moglie e ai 
suoi figli di portare a casa il suo corpo morto. Sua moglie e 
due altre donne anziane avevano pregato i talebani di lasciar 
loro portare via il corpo ma questi non hanno avuto alcuna 
piet . I talebani picchiarono cos  tanto la moglie di Yahya che 
quasi ne mor . Di notte tarda, dopo che i talebani se ne furono 
andati, i parenti di Yahya, tutte donne, presero il corpo del 
loro caro estinti e lo seppellirono. 

"N.B." vedova di una delle vittime (Wali) racconta: 

"I talebani sono entrati a casa nostra e hanno bruciato tutto. 
Mio marito   scappato dicendomi che non sarebbe tornato prima di 
un mese. Un'ora pi  tardi ho sentito sparare vicino alla mia 
casa ma non me ne sono curata perch  pensavo che si trattasse 
delle solite sparatorie. Due giorni pi  tardi, un bambino di 7 
anni ha bussato di notte alla porta di casa nostra informandoci 
che zio Wali era stato ucciso dai talebani. Non riuscivo a 
crederci perch  pensavo che Wali fosse andato a Kabul. Egli 
disse che il corpo morto di Wali giaceva dietro al muro. Non 
riuscivo a sopportare quella triste condizione. I talebani lo 
avevano ucciso mentre cercava di scappare. I suoi occhi e la sua 
bocca erano aperti e i suoi denti erano diventati blu per il 
clima glaciale. I crudeli talebani gli avevano anche svuotato le 
tasche portandosi via ogni suo avere. Il sangue si era seccato 
incollandolo al terreno. Ero da sola e non riuscivo a spostare 
il suo corpo morto e in casa mia non c'era nessuno che mi 
potesse aiutare. Il corpo morto di Wali rimase l  per un'altra 
giornata, poi riuscii a trovare due uomini che mi aiutarono a 
portarlo a casa e lo seppellii da me stessa. Rimanemmo l  per 
una settimana e poi io e altri membri della mia famiglia ce ne 
andammo in Pakistan. Il mio bambino di 6 mesi per  si prese una 
grave forma di tosse per il freddo lungo la strada e mor  prima 
di raggiungere il Pakistan. L'agonia di mio marito e del mio 
bambino sono tuttora impresse nel mio cuore e ricordo ogni 
attimo di quelle giornate disastrose. 

Mio zio   stato arrestato dai talebani che lo hanno accusato di 
aver nascosto delle armi. Egli era un povero contadino e non 
aveva alcun collegamento con i gruppi armati. I talebani lo 
portarono via da casa e gli spararono davanti ai suoi parenti. 
Sua madre e sua moglie pregarono i talebani di lasciar loro 
portare via il corpo ma essi non permettevano a nessuno di 
avvicinarsi. Sua madre stava attenta che nessun cane affamato si 
avvicinasse al corpo morto e lo divorasse. Alla fine i talebani 
se ne andarono e il corpo pot  essere sepolto. 

La nostra vicina, il cui marito era stato ucciso molti anni fa, 
viveva con i suoi figli. Quando i talebani lasciarono il 
villaggio per rastrellare la zona e uccidere tutti i giovani 
degli altri villaggi, essa prese il suo figlio pi  giovane con 
s  e and  sulle montagne dicendo agli altri figli di restare 
nascosti nella stanza sotterranea. Quando torn  dopo parecchi 
giorni, il suo figlio maggiore era morto per il freddo e dovette 
tenersi in casa il corpo morto perch  i talebani non permettono 
alle persone di seppellire i morti. 

Un'altra vedova 

"Ci trovavamo a casa nostra quando i talebani si sono 
precipitati all'interno e si sono messi a cercare in tutta la 
casa. Ci hanno chiesto dove erano gli uomini e noi abbiamo 
risposto che erano stati presi tutti dai talebani e che non 
avevamo notizie di cosa fosse loro successo. Essi presero 
10.000.000 di dollari afgani (circa 160 US $) da una casa e 
800.000.000 di dollari afgani da un'altra. I talebani hanno 
ucciso mio marito, mio cognato e il marito di mia sorella che 
erano giovani". 

Augenzeugenberichte von Taliban Massakern in Yakaolang 

Von RAWA-Reportern, im Juni 2001



Am 9. Januar 2001 wurden in Yakaolang ungefaehr 300 Menschen 
ohne grosses Aufsehen der Regierungen und Medien der Welt durch 
Taliban ermordet. In einer Situation, in der unser Land von 
regionalen und globalen Maechten politisch und wirtschaftlich 
belagert ist, ist die Stimme unserer Nation in den Klauen der 
Fudnamentalisten und ihrer auslaendischen Helfer gefangen und 
verhallt ungehoert. RAWA, die sich als treuer Verbuendeter der 
Belange des afghanischen Volkes und insbesondere der 
afghanischen Frauen betrachtet, haelt es fuer ihre 
revolutionaere Pflicht, die Blockade der Stille zu durchbrechen, 
die von den Fundamentalisten und ihrer auslaendischen 
Verbuendeten errichtet wurde, damit die Stimme unseres 
unterdrueckten Volkes in jeder noch so entferntesten Ecke der 
Welt gehoert wird. 

Die von RAWA interviewten Augenzeugen waren waehrend des Krieges 
Gefangene der Taliban, Araber und Pakistanis, sie erinnern sich 
genau, wie die folgenden Berichte zeigen: 

"Sufi Gardizi, der militarische Kommandanteur und Repraesentant 
der Taliban, ist ein sehr gestoerter Mann, fanatisch und 
besessen. Am Tag vor dem Massaker von Yakaolang stachelte Sufi 
Gurdizi eine Unstimmigkeit zwischen den Volksgruppen der Sadat 
und der Hazara an. Er suchte und fand Verbuendete bei Khalqis, 
Purchamis (Khaliq und Parcham waren zwei Gruppen der PDPA, einer 
Marionetten-Partei Russlands) und Nasries (Mitglieder einer pro-
iranischen Partei namens Nasr), die die Ausfuehrung seine 
Befehle erzwungen haben, wie beispielsweise Gulam Ali, General 
Hayat Ullah Khalqi, Scheikh Raza Saeedi, Syed Jawad, Syed 
Abdullah und andere mehr. Einen Monat vor der Tragoedie von 
Yakaolang gab es ein Geruecht, demzufolge Karim Khalili sich auf 
einen Angriff auf die Taliban vorbereitete. Taliban und Jawadi 
(im Namen der Nasries) versicherten die Menschen, das Yakaolang 
auf der Grundlage der Vereinbarung zwischen Taliban und Kahalili 
im Souf-Tal nicht angegriffen werden wuerde. Mitte Dezember 
begannen die Truppen der Khalili, sich von der Gegend um das 
Suof Tal in Richtung Bameyan zu bewegen. Sufi Gardizi, sein 
Assistent Niaz Muhammad und General Khadim Khalqi bereiteten 
sich auf die moeglieche Attacke seitens Khalilis vor. 

Der erste Zusammenstoss ereignete sich am Gum Aab. General 
Khadim und Hayat (Khalqi) verloren die Schlacht gegen Khalili, 
aber die Kaempfe gingen weiter und bewegten sich auf Yakaolang 
zu. Nach einigen Zusammenstoessen fielen Truppen Khalilis am 2. 
Janua in Yakaolang ein. Sechs Tage spaeter versammelten Khalili 
und Konsorten die Menschen aus mehrereren Doerfern, und ein Mann 
namens Khuda Dad Urfani, der sich als Wohlfahrtsminister der 
Regierung Rabbani ausgab, hielt eine Rede, in der er sagte: "Wir 
werden anders handeln, als in der Vergangenheit. Wir "verkaufen 
keine Laeuse": (Kaempfer von Hezb-e-Wahdat wurden eingesetzt, um 
in von ihnen kontrollierten Gebieten Strassen zu blockieren und 
sie zwangenPassanten, ihnen zu hohen Preisen ihre Laeuse 
abzukaufen !!!!!), wir werden nicht den Todestanz auffuehren 
(eines der brutalen Verbrechen , die das Hezb-e-Wahdat 
verbrochen hat, war, ihren Opfern die Koepfe abzuhacken, sie in 
kochendes Oel zu schmeissen, um den Blutstrom zu stoppen, um 
sich an den letzten Zuckungen der Opfer zu weiden, bis sie 
starben. Sie nannten dies "Todestanz"). Wir werden kein Opium an 
die Frontsoldaten verkaufen. Wir haben von diesen Geschehnissen 
in Payam-e-Zan gelesen, und wieder einmal wir schaemen uns, 
diese Geschehnisse im Buch der Geschichte aufzuzeichnen. 

Am 7. Januar begannen die Taliban ihre Gegenangriffe in Richtung 
der Unterprovinz und nach zwei Kriegstagen fluechteten die 
bewaffneten Maenner von Khalili, und das Gebiet um Yakaolang 
fiel wieder unter die Herrschaft der Taliban. 

Am 9. Januar gaben die Taliban das Zentrum der Unterprovinz und 
Dra Ali auf, wozu die folgenden Doerfer gehoeren: Bugandak, 
Nazar Shah, Qala Shah Nang, Mandeek, Gubandi, Kushak, Akhundan, 
Dahan Shorab, Sar-e-Asyab, Khata Khana und Bedmishkin. Die 
Araber und Pakistanis waren dafuer verantwortlich, Haus fuer 
Haus zu durchsuchen. Ueber dem ganzen Gebiet hing eine 
grauenvolle und verschuechterte Stimmung. Frauen und Kinder 
weinten und klagten lautstark. Blut floss in die Augen junger 
und alter Maenner, als ihre Haende mit ihren Turbanen hinter 
ihrem Ruecken gefesselt wurden. Es war kweiner da, der den 
unschuldigen und ahnungslosen Menschen zu Hilfe kommen konnte. 
Khalili war entkommen und die Menschen mit den leeren Haenden 
erwarteten die Bestrafungen durch die Taliban. Einigen wenigen 
Menschen war es gelungen, ihre Familien in die naheliegenden 
Berge in Sicherheit zu bringen. Das Dekret des Mullah Omar und 
der Araber lautete : "Koepft alle Maenner, die aelter als 12 
Jahre sind, lasst das den Sadat und Hazara-Ueberlebenden von 
Yakaolang eine Lehre sein". Das Kommando zum Massaker wrude 
innerhalb von drei Tagen ausgefuehrt. Sofort nach der Festnahme 
wurden den Menschen die Haende auf dem Ruecken gefesselt und sie 
wurden unter den wachsamen Augen der Araber und Pakistanis in 
die Subprovinz abtransportiert. 


  

 Massengraeber im Dorf Besmishkin, wo die Opfer begraben sind.
Klicken Sie auf das Foto, um weitere Bilder zu sehen

 
Der Ort der Massen-Hinrichtungen war hinter dem Oxfam-Gebaude 
(Oxfam ist eine in England wohlbekannte und gut unterstuetzte 
Wohltaetigkeits-Organisation, Anmerkung des Uebersetzers), einem 
Krankenhaus nahe bei Shor Aab (die Rueckseite des Hauses von 
Syed Hasan Karimi). Die Opfer des grauenvollen Verbrechens 
wurden in einer Reihe aufgestellt und dann wurde auf sie 
geschossen. Brueder sahen ihre Brueder sterben, Onkels sahen 
ihre Neffen sterben, die wussten, dass auch sie im naechsten 
Moment erschossen werden wuerden. 

Syed Hamid Ullah, Muhammad Bakhsh, Haji Gulam Hasain und Syed 
Muhammad (Augenzeuge des Massakers von Yakaolang) haben dieses 
Schlachthaus wie durch ein unglaubliches Wunder ueberlebt. Sie 
haben die Morde ihrer Angehoerigen durch die Taliban gesehen. 
Der Lehrer Syed Habib Ullah, der in den Faengen der Taliban 
gefangen war, erinnert sich: 

"Ich und zwoelf andere Maenner waren die Beute der Taliban. Sie 
haben uns die Haende mit Seilen hinter dem Ruecken gefesselt und 
uns in Richtung der Subprovinz getrieben. Unsere Bewacher waren 
Araber und Pakistanis. Als wir den Fluss erreicht hatten, haben 
sie uns verboten, unsere Schuhe auszuziehen. Es war bitterkalt, 
und es schneite. Nachdem wir den Fluss ueberquert hatten, wurden 
unsere Kleidung und unsere Beine zu Eis. Sie haben uns 
verboten , miteinander zu sprechen. Vom Dorf bis zum Zentrum der 
Subprovinz war es etwa eine Stunde Weg. Waehrend des ganzen 
Weges haben die Araber und Pakistanis uns weiterhin geschlagen 
und beschimpft und erniedrigt. 

Sie haben uns in der Naehe des OPS-Gebaeudes gefangengehalten. 
Ein Mann namens Adul Hameed, er war ein Tajid war und einer 
meiner Schueler, setzte sich fuer mich und Syed Sharaf ein. Er 
ging zu den Taliban und sagte ihnen, dass wir zur Nation der 
Tajik gehoerten und wahre Anhaenger des letzten Propheten 
Muhammad (PBUH) seien. Sie haben uns drei von den anderen zwoelf 
Maennern getrennt und haben die anderen gezwungen, sich an der 
Vorderseite des Oxfam-Gebaeudes mit dem Gesicht zur Wand 
aufzustellen. An diesem Massenmord haben mehr Pakistanis und 
Araber mitgemacht, als Taliban. 

Dann brach ein Streit zwischen ihnen aus, jeder von ihnen wollte 
mit den eigenen Haenden toeten und dadurch den Segen erreichen , 
ein Ghazi zu werden (gemaess islamischer Tradition wird eine 
Person, die einen Feind des Islam toetet, ein Ghazi , aber in 
Afghanistan gilt das auch fuer jeden , der auslaendische 
Aggressoren bekaempft, Anm. des Uebersetzers). 

In der Zwischenzeit haben sie noch andere Maenner an die Wand 
gezwungen, unter ihnen den Lehrer Syed Amin, zielten auf ihre 
Gesichter und Herzen und haben sie abwechselnd mit Kalashnikovs 
erschossen. 

Wir haben gesehen, dass manche sehr qualvoll gestorben sind. 
Unter ihnen waren drei halbtote Maenner, die um Hilfe geschrien 
haben. 

Die grauenvollen Stunden und der Alptraum dieses Tages hat eine 
tiefe Wunde in unsere Herzen und Seelen gerissen, die wir nie 
vergessen werden, bis zum Ende unserer Tage wird diese Wunde 
offen bleiben. 

Dreien von uns wurde erlaubt, nach Hause zu gehen. Am naechsten 
Tag haben sie meinen Bruder vor den Augen seiner Frau und seiner 
Kinder ermordet, als er sein Untergrund-Versteck verliess und 
versuchte zu fliehen. 

Drei Dorfaeltesten, denen die Flucht aus dem Schlachthaus der 
Taliban gelungen ist, erzaehlen ihre Geschichte wie folgt: 

"Wir wurden zur Hinterseite des Oxfam-Gebaeudes (eine nicht von 
der britischen Regierung getragenen, englischen 
Wohltaetigkeitseinrichtung, Anmerkung des Uebersetzers) 
gebracht. Sie haben drei von uns von den anderen 24 Maennern 
getrennt. Die uebrigen Maenner haben sie sofort erschossen. Die 
Kugeln schlugen in die Koepfe und Gesichter unserer Soehne, 
Neffen, Onkel und anderer Angehoeriger ein. Ihre 
blutueberstroemten Leichen bedeckten den Boden. 

Nach einer Viertelstunde, waherend sie uns pruegelten und uns 
erniedrigten, schleiften sie uns zu den Leichen unserer 
Angehoerigen. Einfach nur der Anblick hat uns fast das 
Bewusstsein geraubt. 

Aber wir mussten uns zusammenreissen. Die Flueche und 
Todesdrohungen der Taliban gingen weiter. Unsere Haende und 
Fuesse zittertn im hilflosen Wunsch, unseren Angehoerigenn zu 
helfen. Auf der Vorderseite des Grundstueckes stand ein Fahrzeug 
bereit, um die toten und halbtoten Menschen abzutransportieren. 

Fortwaehrende Schlaege mit dem Gewehrschaft verschlimmerten 
unsere Schmerzen. Wie konnte ich den halbtoten Menschen helfen? 
Mit vorgehaltenem Gewehr zwangen sie uns dazu, die Toten und 
Halbtoten wie Stoecke und Steine auf die Fahrzeuge zu werfen. 
Mithilfe der verlfuchten, verfaulten Taliban haben wir sie nach 
Shor Aab gebracht und wieder bei vorgehaltenem Gewehr unter 
fortgesetzten Schlaegen das Fahrzeug entladen. 

Wenn wir haetten helfen koennen, dann haetten einige Menschen 
ueberleben koennen, aber die wilden Sklaven haben uns daran 
gehindert, verwundeten Menschen zu helfen. Am Ende der "Arbeit" 
waren wir erschoepft und bekamen Erlaubnis, ins Dorf zu gehen. 
Als wir in die Naehe des Dorfes kamen, hoerten wir das Weinen 
und Jammern von Frauen und Kindern. Wir fragten eine alte Dame, 
was los sei? Sie antwortete: "Sie haben alle Maenner 
abtransportiert und alles gepluendert, was sie finden konnten". 

"Vier Tage spaeter haben uns die Taliban erlaubt, die Maertyrer 
zu begraben. In unserem Dorf und in den umliegenden Doerfern gab 
es keine Maenner, die uns haetten helfen koennen, die Toten zu 
tragen und zu beerdigen." 

Das Dorf Bedmishkin hatte 34 Maertyrer, die von diesen drei 
Maennern wiedererkannt worden waren, und die innerhalb von drei 
Tagen zum Schrein getragen wurden. "Es vergingen noch zwei Tage, 
bis wir mit der Hilfe der Maenner der Doerfer Gird Baid und Khum 
Astana ein Massengrab fuer die Toten vorbereitet hatten. 

Die Bewohner des Dorfes koennen den brennenden Schmerz dieses 
Tages niemals vergesssen. 

Fuer alte Muetter, trauernde Frauen und unglueckliche Kinder, 
die die Leichen ihrer Vaeter, Ehemaenner und Soehne, die durch 
die brutalen Haende der Taliban und ihrer arabischen und 
pakistanischen Helfershelfern zu Maertyrern gemacht wurden 
dafuer, dass sie angeblich Hazara oder Syed seien, muss dieser 
Tag der ungluecklichste Tag ihres Lebens sein, wahrscheinlich 
sogar das Ende ihres Lebens. 165 andere Maertyrer erlitten 
dasselbe Schicksal, und die Ueberlebenden trauern. 

Nach diesem grauenvollen und ehrlosen Vorfall haben die Taliban 
die Stadt uebernommen. 

Khalili, Fuehrer der Hezb-e-Whadat (Einheitspartei), dieser 
beruechtigte Scherge des iranischen Regimes, kam, um an den 
Graebern der Toten zu beten. 

Jedermann, einschliesslich alter Maenner und Frauen des Dorfes 
kamen am selben Tag auf dem Friedhof an. 

Nachdem sie Khalili dort vorfanden, fingen sie alle an zu rufen 
und zu weinen "Warum ist dieser Mann zum Friedhof gekommen, wo 
er doch seine Hand bei der Toetung unserer Soehne im Spiel 
hatte?". 

Eines Nachts, vor dem Massenmord der Menschen von Yakaolang im 
Gebiet Dah Surk, hatte Aziz Topchi einen naechtlichen Angriff 
auf die Subprovinz vorgeschlagen, weil die Taliban diese Gegend 
nicht gut kannten. 

Khalili hatte ihm jedoch geantwortet: "Lass die Taliban 
einfallen und alle toeten, damit die Leute in der Zukunft gegen 
die Taliban kaempfen." 

Hieran kann man den Charakter dieses Verraeters erkennen und 
seine "Gefuehle fuer das Volk", solche Saetze enthuellen ihn, 
auch wenn er sich als Fuehrer des Volkes bezeichnet. 

"Nach dem Massaker an den unschuldigen Menschen unseres Dorfes 
kam das Pluendern und Ausrauben der Menschen. 

Taliban haben die Menschen genauso ausgepluendert wie die 
Truppen von Khalili vor und nach dem Massaker. 

Die Augenzeugen berichten, dass bewaffnete Maenner beider 
Fluegel Haeuser durchsucht haben und Geld, Schmuck, 
Cassettenrecorder und andere wertvolle Gegenstaende mitnahmen. 

Aus dem Hause von Syed Raheem "Khum Astana" wurden 
beispielsweise 70 Millionen Afghani in bar gestohlen ; 30 
Millionen Afghani in bar aus dem Hause von Syed Asad Ullah aus 
dem Dorf "Bedmishkin" und ungefaehr 1.600.000 Afghani wurde der 
Frau von Syed Ghazfar gestohlen. 

Neben dem Pluendern und Rauben fuehrten die Taliban und Araber 
ihre Greueltaten weiter, indem sie Frauen und Maedchen 
vergewaltigten. Die Schaendung der Ehre von Sultana's Tochter 
ist die Spitze des Eisberges. 

Nach all diesen Greueln beschlossen die alten Maenner und 
Frauen, die Gegend zu verlassen. 

Die traurige und schreckliche Bericht ihrer Reise im 
bitterkalten Wetter, in dem sie zu Fuss von einem Berg zum 
anderen stiegen ist etwas, das die Augenzeugen mit Traenen in 
den Augen beschrieben haben. 

Es reicht sich vorzustellen , dass waherend vergangener Winter 
Menschen sechs Monate lang ihre Haeuser nicht verlassen haben 
und nicht einmal mit dem Gedanken gespielt haben, sich 
ausserhalb der Gegend zu bewegen, so bitterkalt waren die 
Winter. 

Die Tatsache, dass die Welt nichts (oder laengst nicht genug ) 
ueber die Greueltaten der Taliban und ueber das Massaker von 
Yakalang gehoert hat erlaubt es den Taliban vorzutaeuschen, dass 
diese Greueltaten nicht geschehen sind. 

Wenn wir dem Interview von Radio Shariat mit den zwei Taliban 
namens Taqadus und Tawab Glauben schenken, die selber ethnische 
Hazara sind, dann koennen wir herausfinden, wie sie alles 
abstreiten, in dem sie behaupten "die Feinde der islamischen 
Emirate wollen aus dem Vorfall Yakaolang eine wichtige Sache 
machen. Da sgab es keine Morde vorgefallen, und wir bestreiten 
alles. Die Leute in Zakaolang sollten sich besser klarmachen, 
dass die islamischen Emirate im Recht sind".. 

Hinter diesen TaTen lauert eine einziger Grund: ethnische 
Saeuberung, Voelkermord. 

Die Menschen von Shamali (noerdliche Gebiete) und anderen 
Gegenden sind ebenfalls Opfer solcher Vorfaelle. Dass Massaker 
von Yakaolang ist nicht das Ende der von den Taliban ergriffenen 
Massnahmen. Ungluecklicherweise wird unser Volk noch schlimmere 
Tage zu erwarten haben, mit noch mehr dieser grausamen und 
unmenschlichen Aktionen, die von Fundamentalisten und ihren 
auslaendischen Herren befohlen werden. 

Eine Hazara Frau "M" aus dem Dorf Bedmishkin erzaehlt ihre 
traurige Geschichte: 

"Wir waren zuhause, als die Taliban hereinstuermten und 
anfingen, das gesamte Haus zu durchsuchen. Ich bettelte um Gnade 
und zeigte ihnen den Heiligen Koran, aber sie schmissen den 
Koran in den Ofen. Sie haben all unser Eigentum zerstoert, auch 
die Lebensmittel, und haben alle Wertsachen mitgenommen. 

Mein Bruder rannte weg, als er hoerte, dass die Taliban ueberall 
patroullierten. Er hatte sich hinter einer Mauer versteckt, aber 
er wurde von den Taliban entdeckt und auf der Stelle ermordet. 
Nach zwei Tagen befahlen uns die Taliban, meinen Bruder zu 
holen, aber wir fanden nur seine Leiche, die sehr schlimm 
zugerichtet war. Durch den Frost war seine Leiche am Boden 
festgefroren. 

Wir hatten uns angewoehnt, unsere Kinder mit Steppdecken 
zuzudecken, wenn wir Gewehrfeuer hoerten, nur, um ihnen 
psychologischen Schutz gegen Schussgeraeusche zu geben, und 
jetzt haben sich die Kinder daran gewoehnt, so dass sie sich 
sogar hier in Pakistan in eine Steppdecke wickeln, sobald sie 
irgendwelchen Laerm hoeren. 

Yaha, der Cousin meiner Mutter, ein huebscher Junger Mann, wurde 
auf dieselbe Weise von den Taliban ermordet. 

Taliban kamen in sein Haus , fuehrten ihn hinaus und ermordeten 
ihn direkt vor der Haustuer. Das geschah frueh am Morgen und 
seine Leiche lag immer noch da, bis seine Frau und seine fuenf 
Kinder spaet in der Nacht herauskamen, um ihren Vater zu suchen. 
Sein Koerper war von mehreren Kugeln durchsaeht, was darauf 
hindeutete , dass er der Folter der Taliban widerstanden hatte. 

Der Schnee um seine Leiche herum war blutrot. Als seine Frau und 
seine Kinder versuchten, seine Leiche nach Hause zu bringen, 
wurden sie von den Taliban daran gehindert. 

Seine Frau und zwei aeltere Frauen bettelten die Taliban an, den 
Leichnam freizugeben, aber die Taliban ignorierten ihr Flehen.. 

Die Taliban haben Yahya's Frau so brutal zusammengeschlagen, 
dass sie an den Folgen der Schlaege fast gestorben waere. Spaet 
in der Nacht, als die Taliban die Gegend verlassen hatten, haben 
Yahya's Angehoerige, alles Frauen, seine Leiche nach Hause 
gebracht und ihn zuhause begraben. 

"NB", Witwe eines Opfers (WALI) beschreibt: 

"Taliban stuermten in unser Haus und haben alles angezuendet. 
Mein Mann rannte weg und sagte mir, dass er sich Monat lang 
verstecken wuerde. 

Eine Stunde spaeter hoerte ich Gewehrfeuer in der Naehe meines 
Hauses, aber ich habe nicht weiter darauf geachtet weil ich 
dachte, es sei wieder mal nur eine Schiesserei. 

Zwei Tage spaeter klopfte ein siebenjaehriger Junge an unserer 
Tuer und sagte uns, dass Onkel Wali von den Taliban ermordet 
worden war. Ich konnte es nicht glauben, weil ich dachte, dass 
Wali in Kabul war. 

Der Junge sagte, Wali's Leiche liegt an der hinteren Mauer. 

Ich konnte das nicht ertragen. 

Taliban hatten ihn an der hinteren Mauer erschossen, waehrend er 
versucht hatte zu fliehen. 

Seine Augen und sein Mund waren weit offen und durch den Frost 
waren seine Zaehne blau verfaerbt. 

Die grausamen Taliban haben seine Taschen durchsucht und alle 
seine Habseligkeiten gestohlen. 

Sein Blut war getrocknet und dadurch klebte er am Boden fest. 

Ich war alleine und konnte seine Leiche nicht wegtragen, und es 
war niemand da, der mir haette helfen koennen. Wali's Leiche 
blieb da einen ganzen Tag lang liegen, bis ich zwei Maenner 
finden konnte, die ihn ins Haus trugen, und ich habe ihn selbst 
begraben. 

Wir sind eine Woche geblieben, dann bin ich mit einigen anderen 
Familien nach Pakistan geflohen. 

Mein sechs Monate altes Baby hat auf dem Weg eine schlimme 
Erkaeltung und Husten bekommen und ist gestorben, bevor wir 
Pakistan erreichen konnten. Die Qual meines Mannes und meines 
Babys brennt immer noch in meinem Herzen und ich erinnere mich 
an jeden einzelnen Moment in diesen grauenvollen Tagen. 

Mein Onkel wurde von den Taliban festgenommen, er wurde 
beschuldigt, eine Waffe versteckt zu haben. 

Er war ein armer Bauer, der keinerlei Verbindungen zu 
irgendwelchen bewaffneten Trupen hatte. Die Taliban haben ihn 
aus seinem Haus gezerrt und vor den Augen seiner Angehoerigen 
erschossen. 

Seine Mutter und seine Frau haben die Taliban angefleht, ihnen 
zu erlauben, ihn zu begraben, aber die Taliban haben niemanden 
in seine Naehe gelassen. 

Seine Mutter hat drei Tage lang seine Leiche bewacht, damit die 
wilden Hunde nicht sie fressen konnten. 

Als die Taliban abzogen, haben wir ihn beerdigt. 

Unsere Nachbarin, deren Mann vor vielen Jahren ermordet worden 
war, lebte allein mit ihren Kindern. Als die Taliban das Dorf 
verliessen, um andere Doerfer zu patroullieren und dort junge 
Menschen zu morden, ging sie mit ihrem juengsten Sohn in die 
Berge und befahl ihren anderen Soehnen, im Keller zu bleiben. 

Als sie nach einigen Tagen zurueckkehrte, war ihr aeltester Sohn 
erfroren. Mehrere Tage lang behielt sie seine Leiche im Haus, 
weil die Taliban es den Menschen nicht erlaubten, ihre Toten zu 
begraben." 

Eine andere Witwe berichtet: 

"Wir waren daheim, als die Taliban in unser Haus einbrachen und 
es durchsuchten. 

Sie fragten nach den Maennern und wir sagten ihnen, dass alle 
Maenner von den Taliban gefangen genommen worden waren und wir 
seitdem nichts von ihnen gehoert haetten. 

Sie haben 10.000.000 Afghanis (ungefaehr 160 $) aus einem Haus 
gestohlen und 800.000.000 Afghanis aus einem anderen Haus. 

Die Taliban haben meinen Mann, meinen Schwager und den Mann 
meiner Schwester ermordet, alles junge Maenner. 

Aus Sicherheitsgruenden mussten wir einige Namen in diesem 
Bericht aendern oder auslassen. 














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over 40,000 widows as a result of the war...who's hiding behind 
the women?

Inside Afghanistan: Behind the veil 

BBC News, 27 June, 2001



An undercover documentary film about the Taleban movement in 
Afghanistan has shown shocking footage of mass executions, and 
an insight into the oppression suffered by Afghan women. Dressed 
in an Afghan veil, reporter Saira Shah used a hidden camera to 
film life for ordinary Afghans under the Taleban. "I had to wear 
the burqa which looks like a great big tablecloth. It covers 
absolutely everything" Saira Shah told the BBC. 

The Channel Four crew went undercover because of restrictions on 
their visa, saying they were only allowed to film inanimate 
objects. 

They were helped by an underground women's group, the 
Revolutionary Association of Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), which 
runs secret clinics and schools for girls. 

From the moment that I was across the border I felt the 
restrictions on women," said Ms Shah, a British journalist who 
is half Afghan. 

She described how the veil was so thick that it was difficult to 
breath, and the little crocheted grill for her eyes made it 
difficult to cross roads. 

If she tripped and showed her face or ankles, she risked arrest. 

The woman next to her in the car was violently car sick, but was 
still not allowed to take her head out of her veil. 

"I suddenly wasn't an objective reporter anymore; I was someone 
actually participating in this, I was actually being subjected 
to the same restrictions," she said. 

Female resistance 

In disguise, Ms Shah was able to gain unique access to women's 
lives, and record the horrendous conditions in which they live. 

"The first thing you notice when you come into Kabul is the 
ghost-like figures in their blue shroud-like burqas, begging in 
the streets," she told the BBC. 

In Kabul alone, she said, there are over 40,000 widows as a 
result of the war. 

Because the Taleban forbid women from working, they are forced 
into begging - and sometimes prostitution - in order to support 
themselves and their families. 

But the film, Behind the veil, also documents the resistance of 
some women. 

Memebers of the opposition group, RAWA, risk their lives to run 
secret schools for girls, giving them educational opportunities 
they would otherwise be denied. 

Some women also set up underground beauty parlours in their 
apartments. Even wearing nail varnish is a crime in Afghanistan. 

"You can make a woman wear a veil, but this is our way of 
showing they haven't crushed our spirit," said a woman in the 
beauty parlour. 

Executions 

The crew also acquired secretly-filmed footage of a public 
execution in a football stadium financed by the West. 

The footage shows a veiled woman dragged to the centre of the 
pitch, and forced to kneel facing the goal posts. 

She is shot dead to the cheers of the watching crowds. 

The team then ventured to the north-west corner of the country, 
which is still in the hands of the opposition. 

Earlier in the year, the Taleban briefly took control of four 
villages. 

The survivors told stories of how dozens of civilians were 
rounded up and executed. 

Footage obtained from a local wedding photographer showed the 
villagers burying their dead. 

Three girls sittting huddled in brightly coloured veils outside 
one house described how they saw their mother being shot dead. 

Their father said they have not stopped crying for weeks. 






Shining Brighter Than the News They Cover 

Los Angeles Times, August 24, 2001
By HOWARD ROSENBERG, Times Television Critic


.... 

Nor will you see Saira Shah. Along with producer Cassian 
Harrison and cameraman James Miller, she exposed herself to 
substantial risks while gathering evidence of terror, squalor 
and despair inside Taliban-ruled Afghanistan for a chilling news 
report that aired two months ago on Britain's Channel Four. 

The same hour, titled "Beneath the Veil," is scheduled to air 
Sunday on CNN. 

Reporter Shah is a Britisher whose father is from Afghanistan, 
where women are oppressed and rendered all but invisible by the 
rigid Islamic regime. She and her crew were not the first 
Western journalists allowed inside Afghanistan by the Taliban, 
but some of the secret footage she brought back may break 
ground. Supplied by the underground Revolutionary Association of 
the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), it shows executions being 
carried out before cheering throngs in a Kabul football stadium 
against veiled women and others for crimes unknown. 

Shah notes how distant this is from her "liberal Islam" 
upbringing. As is a secret schoolroom for girls that she visits, 
its teacher saying that merely organizing the class is a hanging 
offense. Then comes "the most subversive place of all," an 
underground beauty parlor where women paint the faces they are 
forbidden to display in public. 

Later, Shah and her crew arrive at a village where they are told 
of recent alleged massacres by Taliban as part of ethnic 
cleansing. Supporting the charges is footage of strewn bodies 
almost too grisly to witness, including a youth's skull said to 
have been skinned by his murderers. 

Now cut to three young sisters. Tears rolling down her cheeks, 
one tells Shah their parents were murdered before their eyes. 

The experienced Shah has put in years reporting from hot spots 
for British TV. Yet even if she were an American, she wouldn't 
have the star wattage to crash tonight's lineup. 

.... 

"Beneath the Veil" can be seen Sunday at 6:30 and 10 p.m. on 
CNN. 

Howard Rosenberg's column appears Mondays and Fridays. He can be 
contacted via e-mail at howard.rosenberg@latimes.com. 




Review 

The Times (UK) , June 27, 2001


.... 

Saira Shah, in Beneath the Veil (Channel 4), is the latest 
reporter with hidden cameras to enter Afghanistan to expose the 
repressiveness of its Islamic government. Shah, being half-
Afghan and often dressing in robes that left only a letterbox 
slit for her eyes, had an advantage in being able to visit areas 
that would be impossible for a Westerner such as Langan. 

But at the same time, being a woman   and not an identifiably 
Western woman once she had left her film crew behind   she was 
at the mercy of any officials who unmasked her. 

Many of the most horrific clips that Shah showed us were filmed 
by members of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of 
Afghanistan, who risked execution to collect their secret 
footage. They have filmed scenes at football stadiums of women 
being led out into the penalty area and shot like stray dogs; of 
men hanging from nooses strung over the goal s crossbar. Shah 
talked to women who had become beggars because the Taleban 
government forbids them to work: their children starve or, if 
they are lucky, subsist on mouldy breadcrumbs. Children spoke of 
their civilian parents being slaughtered by the Taleban, and 
their villages razed. 

Peculiarly shocking was Shah s visit to a secret classroom, 
where women who lost their teaching jobs when the Taleban took 
power, educate teenage girls. Girls over 12 are barred from 
school. If these teachers and pupils were caught, says Shah, 
they would be hanged. 

.... 

Cobardes, son todos ustedes unos cobardes, la unica manera que 
saben defenderse es escondidos en cuevas como las serpientes mas 
asquerosas, no pueden negar que son unos cobardes asquerosos, 
porque no sacan sus verdaderas caras y pelean como los hombres? 
El castigo de Dios les caera con todo su peso y al infierno se 
iran de cabeza. Ratas asquerosas lo unico que les puedo desear 
es que se pudran en el infieron con todos los que le siguen. 
Dios esta de parte del pueblo americano y El nos ayudara a 
acabar con ustedes. Que Vivan los Estados Unidos de America!

I saw your site even in the months preceding the attack on the 
Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The stories and pictures are 
absolutely horrifying.
If I were an Afghanistan woman, I would WANT people to fight for 
my freedom and the freedom of my country even if there was no 
Osama Bin Laden or an international terrorist problem.. Anything 
but being left to this utter suffering and humiliation!
Please, Rawa, tell me; in this war, where exactly do you stand???

WHAT PRES BUSH MENT TO SAY!!!!!!!
Good evening my fellow Americans. 
First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New 
York and all 
Americans that are hurting in this tragic time. You can rest 
assured that 
anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of 
our 
country will be done. This is the greatest country in the world 
and we 
will get through this trying time. Now is the time for all 
people to set 
aside our petty differences and show the world that no one or 
nothing can 
destroy the fortitude of the American people. 
To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say this: 
Are you fucking kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads 
wrapped too 
tight? Have you gone too long without a bath? Do you not know 
who you are 
fucking with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at 
each other 
every day. We will relish that opportunity for new targets for 
our 
aggression. 
Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people 
that started 
fucking around with us? Remember the little yellow bastards over 
in Japan? 
We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million 
of them in 
their own back yard. That's what we in America call a big ass 
barbecue. 
Ever seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? 
Because we wanted it that way, Mexico started jacking around 
with the Alamo 
and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them packing. 
Ask your buddy Saddam about fucking with the good 'ole USA. The 
only 
reason he got away the first time is because it's too hard to 
shoot someone 
when you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't 
trained to 
laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of 
cub 
scouts from taking over his shitty little country. 
Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go 
ahead and 
try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a 
mountain high 
enough that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. We 
will bomb 
every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps and any 
place that 
looks and even smells like he was there. Hell, we might even 
drop a few 
bombs on people that have pissed us off in the past. This is 
America. We 
kick ass. This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh now, but the 
Tomahawks 
are coming and we will smoke your sorry asses. 
God bless America! 

Hey Binney...we hear that your son Abdulla gave an interview and 
said the 'west would never find my dad'.  That you were hiding 
and that you were invisible to the west.  My, my...that is so 
true!  You will surely be invisible when one of our bunker 
busters comes slamming into the rat hole you're hiding in and 
vaporizes your sorry, worthless, flee-bitten rotten carcus!  
What a loser!  Nite, nite Binney...don't forget to say your 
prayers!

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You were right on with most of what you said.  All those things 
are mostly true.  You know why?  Because we can.  We live in a 
civilized enough world to where we can think and do as we 
please.  Yes we do have crime and the occasional national 
tragedy but for the most part we don't have to worry about bombs 
getting dropped on us or opposing governments trying to 
overthrow the existing government.  I always hear people 
overseas and in the middle east bitch about how we live and take 
for granted our everyday freedom.  Well we can.  It's not our 
fault you live so shitty.  Maybe if you would set aside your 
differences and try to work together, you could rebuild the 
middle east to what it once was.  I don't always agree with how 
our government operates internally and externally but they got 
it right enough to where my only worries are paying bills and 
what I will eat for dinner tonight.  So go ahead and bitch about 
how cocky we are, how ignorant we are, or how brainwashed we 
are.  It's all because we can.  I will sleep tight tonight, will 
you?
One more thing.  To the Al-Qaeda terrorist group.  Do you 
actually think that you will be able to hijack another plane?  I 
guarantee the next hijacker that tries to take over a plane will 
get jumped by all the passengers on board.  We learned our 
lesson from Sept 11th.  Sweet Dreams.

Hey Hamaaaaassss....Hezballaaaaaaaa....come out, come out where 
ever you are..........

YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Mr. Talibananas, in order to get an army, you have to go and 
forcibly remove men from their homes, shops, or where ever they 
are, take them to prison, beat them, and offer them freedom if 
they go to the front lines. Wow, what a system.

In the USA, we have an all volunteer military. We have men and 
women that WANT to be a part of the military. We have men and 
women that WANT to protect their country. And right now, we have 
so many men and women that want to join the military, the 
recruiters are working late into the night. Why Mr. Talibananas? 
Because regardless of what you might see in the newspapers or on 
TV, the majority of Americans, and I mean Black Americans, 
Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, White 
Americans, LOVE this country, and are proud to be a part of this 
country. Yes, we do have problems, but don't you or your 
murderous coward people pick on my Black brothers and sisters or 
my Asian brothers and sisters, or my Hispanic brothers and 
sisters, or my Native American brothers and sisters, or my White 
brothers and sisters.....because if you do, I will come and kick 
your butt all over Af-GONE-istan....and give it back to the real 
Afghan people, whom I believe want to live in peace and without 
fear, just as Americans want to do. And if we can eliminate a 
murderous bunch like you Talibananas.....all the better.

Oh....one more thing......don't threaten my President.....I 
think I might have to waste some of you bastards if you do that 
again. Other than that, have a good Sunday, but watch out for 
the bombs.

Hey are you red ? If not than you stop this racism crap.I know 
all you are white supermacist and now is your chance to reveal 
yourselves. This land was the native americans and we are 
immigrants from different countries. If you do not like 
diverstiy of religion and race go back from where your ancestors 
came from. BECAUSE THIS LAND WAS THE NATIVE AMERICANS! 

Hey are you red ? If not than you stop this racism crap.I know 
all you are white supermacist and now is your chance to reveal 
yourselves. This land was the native americans and we are 
immigrants from different countries. If you do not like 
diverstiy of religion and race go back from where your ancestors 
came from. BECAUSE THIS LAND WAS THE NATIVE AMERICANS! 

Enjoying your Anthrax? Not enough for everybody? Just 
wait,there's SO MUCH MORE TO COME!

Well.......what can I say?I had youse guys pegged wrong from the 
start.......
 Ever since I got the job in NYC at the 7-11,my whole attitude 
has changed.....
 Its amazing what a chili dog & a Slurpie can do for your whole 
outlook on life!..........
   ...oh yeah.....sorry about the towers...

you have understood alomst nothing.

all civil and intelligent people is ON YOUR SIDE.

hello, are you enjoying the Allah's holy missiles?.... 
Hmmm.....  
Hey, but I'm wondering.... How comes that it's Allah sending the 
holy missiles, if they are of Bush?? 
But it's so simple!! As it looks like, 

                      ALLAH IS BUSH!!!!

About gastronomy, then why don't you finally try to correct your 
own outlook of life as well, starting to eat Grand Pork Slurpies 
with a big double-malt beer?

Take a look at your camel fucking leader 
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22963936/23115439
QpWiptJhQb
YOU"RE NEXT YOU ASS!!!!!!!!!!!
Have nice talk with authorities!!!!!!!!

Posted at   Sun Oct 14 03:01:47 2001.
Get this piece of shit!!!!!!!

The history of man has see many deaths caused by men trying to 
make people be slave to their will. The so called christian 
religions did their best. Some leaders used the american 
government to achieve their ends , except the american 
government who does not have islam interests in mind strive to 
forse their mission on others. So now many arab believe america 
is the great satin. Dose it not enter into anyones mind the 
their leader have used the stupid american government to acheive 
their ends, then call them the bastards. What bull s**t. Then 
look at the jewish government. They do not care for a palistine 
state. Palistine is part of history, what the UN did to them 
after wwii created this fight. An now many people will die. Arab 
will kill arabs to punish modernate arabs governments. WHAT EVER 
HAPPENED TO THE TRUTH!!!!!!! Even if Palistine and the Jews 
settle this isssue these guys will still find a reason to kill 
people. So the battle goes on for no real reason what so ever 
except to let god wantabeys be gods on earth. May Allah punish 
you!!!!

Dear Satan Bin Ladin and Friends;
   Ah, I had a wonderful restfull sleep last night. I stayed up 
a little later than usual last night because it was such a 
pretty evening I just wanted to stay up and look at the stars 
and listen to nature's night activity. One of the wonderful 
things about living in the United States and the rest of the 
free world how peaceful the evenings are.
   Did you sleep last night? Did the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH 
allow you to have some sleepy-time last night? I sent the GREAT 
STUD GEORGE BUSH a letter, asking he have mercy on you and allow 
you to have an hour or two of sleepy-time. His response to my 
request referenced something about smoke and holes.
   Hey, how are your followers holding up these days. Everything 
going ok for them? Are they still happy to be working with you? 
How many of your followers actually read? I ask because I would 
love to send them a letter. Well, I guess if they can't read the 
written word I'm sure most of them will soon be reading the 
proverbial "writing on the wall" message from the GREAT STUD 
GEORGE BUSH. I must caution you that many of your followers are 
considering betraying you. I strongly suggest you increase your 
intimidation and domination of your followers in direct response 
to THE GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH'S domination of the overall 
situation.
   Have I neglected to say what a pussy you are lately? You are 
a pussy, whimp, weak, manipulitive, EVIL, subject of Satan. 
Remember, when THE GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH decides to send you to 
your leader Satan it will be when he decides. Your time is not 
under your control. Your time is totally up to THE GREAT STUD 
GEORGE BUSH.
   Goodbye, and remember, Satan does not give reach arounds.
   Freedom

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dromero/diplomacy.swf

Hahahah how are you feeling now afghans :)
HAHAHAH I'm not an american....but I have to say it's funny :)

Hmmmmmm......afraid to kick the ass of someone that comes to your 
house and kills your family? Just what is it with you morons. You 
mean to tell me that if I come into your house, kill your family 
in front of you, take what dignity you have, and walk out of your 
house.....you dont mind? 

Give me your home address.

As for me, I dont believe in killing. But I do believe in self 
preservation, and if that means I must kill to survive or that I 
must kill to protect my country, I WILL. I would do that for you 
too, so that you can park your wimpy candy-ass on a park bench 
and scream "peace" all day. But just remember this, Peace comes 
at a cost. 

GOD BLESS THE U.S. ARMED FORCES!

On second thought, HE already has.

Hey--that blk. thing around your head--is it a 
bodybag???Cause you sure as hell gonna need it !!!!

you couldnt flog your own knob ya gizz swillin pooh 
puncher.........i hate protesters to.. but fuckheads like your 
self ......well they just make me ill.......so fuck off you 
insignificant little maggot......

I meant, the FBI.

Peace...

Hey, Ash,
You must be Peter Lorre revisited.
Cut out the theatrical crap please!

traschen@physics.umass.edu 
(413) 545-1974

During the debate, University of Massachusetts physics professor 
Jennie Traschen offered a controversial take on what the 
American flag means. 
"It's a symbol of terrorism and death and fear and destruction 
and repression," she told the Select Board. 

You were right on with most of what you said.  All those things 
are mostly true.  You know why?  Because we can.  We live in a 
civilized enough world to where we can think and do as we 
please.  Yes we do have crime and the occasional national 
tragedy but for the most part we don't have to worry about bombs 
getting dropped on us or opposing governments trying to 
overthrow the existing government.  I always hear people 
overseas and in the middle east bitch about how we live and take 
for granted our everyday freedom.  Well we can.  It's not our 
fault you live so shitty.  Maybe if you would set aside your 
differences and try to work together, you could rebuild the 
middle east to what it once was.  I don't always agree with how 
our government operates internally and externally but they got 
it right enough to where my only worries are paying bills and 
what I will eat for dinner tonight.  So go ahead and bitch about 
how cocky we are, how ignorant we are, or how brainwashed we 
are.  It's all because we can.  I will sleep tight tonight, will 
you?
One more thing.  To the Al-Qaeda terrorist group.  Do you 
actually think that you will be able to hijack another plane?  I 
guarantee the next hijacker that tries to take over a plane will 
get jumped by all the passengers on board and get the ever holy 
shit beat out of him.  We learned our lesson from Sept 11th.  
Sweet Dreams.

You misunderstand me. I dont condone violence against Arabs or 
Islam in general. I am agnostic by nature and to me one religion 
is just as good as another barring any that hurt or maime 
others. That letter if you'll look was addressed to the Taliban. 
I do however resent some Arabic countries sitting idly by. Arab 
countries should have been policing their own criminals all 
along. SOME....not ALL just run them into other countries to be 
rid of them. What the world needs is close cooperation 
concerning these extremists. And I am not saying Arab countries 
only have this problem. We have Christain terrorists here 
bombing abortion clinics. At least we arrest them though.

I think its time also that a few countries grow up into the 20th 
century. All countries should have govts that allow their people 
to worship how they see fit as long as they dont interfere with 
peoples rights. A few of these countries only allow one religion 
to be practiced. Islam is a beautiful religion but its stern 
interpretation by a mere few individuals allows it to become a 
danger. And a few govts are afraid to stand up to its fringe 
elements. Thats whats happening in Afghanistan. I seriously 
doubt most of afghanistan believes in the harshness of the 
taliban. But they have bullied their way in on its people. No 
Arab countries stood up to them. Even now they mostly just stay 
out of the way. Instead they should be taking hard lines like we 
did against Jim Jones and a few others. Absolute Power corrupts 
and thats what is happening to the Taliban. Now they can beat 
their women, arrest at will all in the name of Islam. Now I have 
read a bit about Islam and I know they dont condone this.

One other thing I'd like to say. I have always respected Saudi 
Arabia. When the prince came here and offered money to help out 
I was impressed. However then he added "Of course you knoe this 
is a result of America's double standard." 

Now that was a very insensitive remark at a tragic event. Even 
if this were so it was a bad time to state it. He further hurt 
his image with me by going home and instead of stating...."Well 
ok...maybe I shouldnt have said that at this time." but 
announced "The Americans didnt take the money because of Jewish 
Pressure from home!" 

I am not very pro Israeli to be honest but neither am I anti 
Semitic. I think it is high time that Israel also grow up and do 
the right thing at the peace table. However.....I dont want the 
United States held hostage for Israel. Let the terrorists 
stop.....then lets fix the middle east. I was sympathetic to the 
Palestinians before this outrage. But in reality their past 
record of terror has probably led to this. 

I have two daughters here. One day I hope to see them live in a 
land where Jew, Gentile, Muslim and many others are allowed to 
live in peace. I hope we all end up working side by side to be 
honest. Lets all work towards that goal.

They are hiding behind their women. They hide in cities where 
they know we wont bomb them....at least on purpose. They make 
lavish claims that we have killed whole villages. Come out and 
play Taliban. That is the safest way to protect your villages. 
Come out and play Osama. You claim we killed 300 civilians so 
far? You have killed no less than 6,000 of ours. Even now you 
are most likely sending us antrax. I cant be sure of that but if 
that is you....it shows how godless those doing it are. Did you 
really expect us just to sit idly by and let this happen. If you 
do your not only cowards hiding but very stupid cowards. 

No I'm sorry I really dont know much about Rawa. What I am 
referring to is this. Arabs see these finatics on a daily basis. 
Do you see the middle of the road people protesting against 
them? Do you see Arab armies sending in troops to help out their 
fellow Arabs? No....they give money away. Do you see Arabs in 
Arab lands protesting the death and destruction here in the 
states? I'm really not putting them down but I do believe 
however it is high time they stand up to these thugs. Somewhere 
theres a middle ground. We sent in troops to help out Kuwait. We 
did that for the Kuwaitees and the Saudi's. Where are their 
troops to help us in our hour of need. Where is the outrage? 
What I see are a few muffled meows instead of the Lion Of 
Arabia. I havent seen one single protest staged on behalf of 
us.....and frankly.....I'm hurt.  

Although I dont agree with her view...it is her right to state 
that.

Dear Satan Bin Ladin and Friends;
   I just woke up from an afternoon nap. During my nap I had a 
really weird dream. Throughout my dream there was the tick-tock 
of a Big Ben Clock in the background.
   My dream took place in a mountainous area and it was clear 
winter was coming. Every now and then you or one of your 
followers would come walking by with a goat. It seemed none of 
your followers that came by me had any women walking with them. 
All the Muslim women in my dream were with me, my wife and our 
friends from all around the world. My friends and I (especially 
the Muslim women) were laughing at you and your men because no 
woman would walk with you. I remember the feeling amongst all of 
us was that the goats were the only things on earth that would 
have anything to do with you and your friends. We all thought 
this was funny especially the Muslim women.
   Then the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH came walking by with your 
mother, and all your children. Your mother and children were 
very happy to be walking with such a good and great man. He was 
walking much faster than you or your followers and as he 
proceeded the tick-tock became louder and louder. As he walked 
more and more of your friends and followers were asking if they 
could walk in the presence of the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH. As 
your followers joined the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH s walk they 
would apologize for their sins and the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH 
would tell them to pray to God for forgiveness and they would 
walk on together. Some of your followers would stumble and the 
GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH would pick them up and help them keep up 
the pace as they pursued you.
   Then suddenly the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH caught up with you. 
As you cowered before such greatness the loud noises stopped. As 
you stretched your neck forward to lick the sole of The GREAT 
STUD GEORGE BUSH?s shoes he stopped you, reaching down and 
helping you to your feet. As you stood a Green Beret trained 
Afgan Muslim Cleric sniper put a 50 caliber round right through 
your adams apple.
   Remember, you piece of camel shit, Satin doesn t give reach 
arounds.
   Goodbye
   Freedom

As a reply to your posting "the terrorist Nation #1", it's quite 
good for you under almost all regards, my great reply to 
john/cool/"good thinker" above on this board - always if you 
aren't the same person.
Please read it, and you'll find out how stupid are the reasons 
of such anti-american hatred.
Besides I have to observe some more things about your posting.
I tried to verify the things you said, by asking some history 
teachers in the school where I work at; the result was - what a 
coincidence - that the facts you reported CANNOT GET VERIFIED, 
because they don't stay in normal history books, school teachers 
don't have any so specialized knowledges, and maybe university 
teachers don't even. Surely your fonts are very biased, and 
maybe are fake too.
About the Philippines 1898-1910, by who the 600,000 Philipinos 
got killed? By americans? It's strange, in this case. In an 
encyclopedya I've found out that then they were considered as 
savers by Philipinos.
About Panama 1989-90, you don't say by who the over 2000 Panama 
civilians got killed.
Talking in general, every time the U.S.A. protected their 
political interests, even with military or spying means, they 
were always fighting against any nationalism, or against 
communismus, or terrorism.
In addition you don't want to take in consideration the millions 
of American soldiers who died in 2 wws by fighting against 
nationalisms. 
What, the U.S.A. involved in any planning for assassination of 
Charles de Gaulle??
What, CIA along with neo-nazis hit - how, with a stick? - 
numerous political figures in West Germany??
What, for the 3rd Newton's law, the terrorist attacks of 9-11-
2001 would be the "equal and opposite Reaction" for the U.S.  
legitimate actions????
You have demonstrated to be a poor idiot.

As a reply to your posting "the terrorist Nation #1", it's quite 
good for you under almost all regards, my great reply to 
john/cool/"good thinker" above on this board - always if you 
aren't the same person.
Please read it, and you'll find out how stupid are the reasons 
of such anti-american hatred.
Besides I have to observe some more things about your posting.
I tried to verify the things you said, by asking some history 
teachers in the school where I work at; the result was - what a 
coincidence - that the facts you reported CANNOT GET VERIFIED, 
because they don't stay in normal history books, school teachers 
don't have any so specialized knowledges, and maybe university 
teachers don't even. Surely your fonts are very biased, and 
maybe are fake too.
About the Philippines 1898-1910, by who the 600,000 Philipinos 
got killed? By americans? It's strange, in this case. In an 
encyclopedya I've found out that then they were considered as 
savers by Philipinos.
About Panama 1989-90, you don't say by who the over 2000 Panama 
civilians got killed.
Talking in general, every time the U.S.A. protected their 
political interests, even with military or spying means, they 
were always fighting against any nationalism, or against 
communismus, or terrorism.
In addition you don't want to take in consideration the millions 
of American soldiers who died in 2 wws by fighting against 
nationalisms. 
What, the U.S.A. involved in any planning for assassination of 
Charles de Gaulle??
What, CIA along with neo-nazis hit - how, with a stick? - 
numerous political figures in West Germany??
What, for the 3rd Newton's law, the terrorist attacks of 9-11-
2001 would be the "equal and opposite Reaction" for the U.S.  
legitimate actions????
You have demonstrated to be a poor idiot.

Dear Satan Bin Ladin and Friends;
   I just woke up from an afternoon nap. During my nap I had a 
really weird dream. Throughout my dream there was the tick-tock 
of a Big Ben Clock in the background.
   My dream took place in a mountainous area and it was clear 
winter was coming. Every now and then you or one of your 
followers would come walking by with a goat. It seemed none of 
your followers that came by me had any women walking with them. 
All the Muslim women in my dream were with me, my wife and our 
friends from all around the world. My friends and I (especially 
the Muslim women) were laughing at you and your men because no 
woman would walk with you. I remember the feeling amongst all of 
us was that the goats were the only things on earth that would 
have anything to do with you and your friends. We all thought 
this was funny especially the Muslim women.
   Then the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH came walking by with your 
mother, and all your children. Your mother and children were 
very happy to be walking with such a good and great man. He was 
walking much faster than you or your followers and as he 
proceeded the tick-tock became louder and louder. As he walked 
more and more of your friends and followers were asking if they 
could walk in the presence of the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH. As 
your followers joined the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH s walk they 
would apologize for their sins and the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH 
would tell them to pray to God for forgiveness and they would 
walk on together. Some of your followers would stumble and the 
GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH would pick them up and help them keep up 
the pace as they pursued you.
   Then suddenly the GREAT STUD GEORGE BUSH caught up with you. 
As you cowered before such greatness the loud noises stopped. As 
you stretched your neck forward to lick the sole of The GREAT 
STUD GEORGE BUSH?s shoes he stopped you, reaching down and 
helping you to your feet. As you stood a Green Beret trained 
Afgan Muslim Cleric sniper put a 50 caliber round right through 
your adams apple.
   Remember, you piece of camel shit, Satin doesn t give reach 
arounds.
   Goodbye
   Freedom

You can be certain monitoring of this and other boards has been 
reality from the start.

Now, if you really want to egg-on these USA based cells, and get 
them to post here and to other boards, refer to them as the DOGS 
they are.  Within the ...stan's - there is no reference lower 
than to be refered to - as a "dog.".  Vulgarity doesn't 
penetrate as it is foreign thought process.  Just call them 
dogs, for the dogs they are.

example:      Usama (dog) Bin Laden

Have a great day -  "al Quaeda Supporter Dogs.  :-)

Have nice day -  "Taliban Supporter Dogs.".   :-)

Now, if you really want to egg-on these USA based cells, and get 
them to post here and to other boards, refer to them as the DOGS 
they are.  Within the ...stan's - there is no greater insult 
lower than to be refered to - as a "dog.".  Vulgarity doesn't 
penetrate as it is foreign thought process.  Just call them 
dogs, for the dogs they are.

example:      Usama (dog) Bin Laden  :-)

Have a great day -  "al Quaeda Supporter Dogs.  :-)

Have nice day -  "Taliban Supporter Dogs.".   :-)

Upon each news airing of the abuse via switch to an Afghan woman 
at the hands of a "Taliban Dog", my anger grows stronger.  Like 
most, initially my anger was directed towards "Usama Dog bin 
Laden" and the "Dogs al Quaeda.".  But with each passing day I 
find it hard to find any mercy within my heart for the many "not 
blinded or misdirected", but evil - evil dogs.  There is such a 
thing as evil.  We all have borne witness.  The undeserved 
punishment perpetrated upon these persecuted Afghan peoples, 
solely for they are women or for being of a differing faith, by 
these treacherous evil "Taliban dogs" irks me.  Total 
elimination of these dogs is required, for if we do not destroy 
them and their like, the dogs will breed again.

Day Oh, Day Ay Ay Oh,
Air Force coming and they flatten your home.

Run Mr. Taliban, we know where your hidin,
Air Force come and they flatten your home,
Hey USA USA USA Oh,
Uncle Sam come and he flatten your home.

60 foot, 70 foot, 80 foot crater,
Air Force come and they flatten your home.
Old Uncle Sam's pissed, and he ain't no Quaker,
Air Force come and they flatten your home.

When weare finsihed , you all be cryin,
Air Force come and they flatten your home,
Pilot, his brother a New York FIREMAN!
Air Force come......and they flatten your home!

GOD bless FDNY NYPD and NY-EMS

The battle plan to make cause for Taliban Students switching 
sides may make cause for but temporary victory.  A Taliban 
Student chose his side in defense of, and for his beliefs.  His 
choosing to switch sides for death avoidance will in no way 
change his view towards the West or those of differing faiths.  
All the humanitarian aid in the world will not have positive 
effect upon a Taliban Student.  This is not Japan or Germany, 
where a Marshall Plan brought not only food and rebuilding, but 
also brought education, understanding, and other religious 
viewpoints.  We cannot offer religious tolerance.  It will in no 
way be accepted within the Muslim World.  The Koran is education 
to the Taliban Student.  How can education and religious 
tolerance be presented when the mind is shut so tight by such 
barriers?

How about bitches ??
How about the dingos bred in camel's wombs they be !!!

Besides---I've known Dogs;much,much better than these living, 
breathing dribblings of camel cum gone wrong.

Please don't miss my point.  Refer to the dogs in any fashion 
that offers you satisfaction.  But know that your words will not 
penetrate the mind of the "Radical Islamic Dog", for they don't 
understand.  To communicate utilizing language they find 
insulting, and thereby encouraging their posting to the boards 
is goal.  Let's continue to open the dialogue at their peril.

CYA "Taliban Supporter Dogs"

"Bow-Wow !"

For whatever the reason, many of you don't seem to support us 
against Ben Laden and his terrorists for the Sept 11 incident.  
If you're able to read this email, you're probably educated 
enough to understand these terrorists are criminals and must be 
stopped.   Please try to recognize this isn't a religious war, 
it's a war of justice.  
I'm not sure if your people understand the gravity of this 
situation. I read a report that these terrorists might have 
nukes. If these terrorists nuke a US city, do you think there's 
a chance the US will nuke an arab city?  Do you think it's 
possible with the will  to survive, that the US might nuke the 
entire Arab world?  I think this is a possible future.  Folks, 
we only have one life here on earth.  Forget the religious 
bullshit and join the US in justice.  Otherwise, you and maybe 
me may have no future.  

President Bush and diplomats from the West have taken great 
pains to point out that the war on Mr. bin Laden and the Taliban 
of Afghanistan is not a war on Islam, but in many madrassas here 
in Pakistan   especially those near the border with Afghanistan  
 militant Muslims lecture students that the United States is a 
nation of Christians and Jews who are not after a single 
terrorist or government but are bent on the worldwide 
annihilation of Islam. 

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!  YOU MAY GET IT!

Your message is especially mixed and confusing.
Deciphering your message is not possible.
What are you attempting to communicate? 

I do not believe (as a white american) that we should 
descriminate against anyone, black, white, asian, hispanic, 
middle-eastern.  I am fully behind the war as i am the son of a 
USAF person currently living on an USAF base in Japan, but again 
not all of the muslims are bad, the same with the jews, 
christians, buddists, shintoist, etc.  There are rotten apples 
on every tree and Osama Bin Laden happens to be one of them.  I 
have muslim friends hate bin Laden any less than other 
americans, and in some cases i think even more because of the 
excuses for his terrorism that he uses (religion).  
May The Victims Of The World Trade Center R.I.P. and all those 
affected, no matter what race, sex, creed, religion, etc. my 
prayers go out to you.

A glimpse of the horror that
took place Tuesday morning. A day of fear, loss,
grief and anger. A tragedy for our entire
community Muslim and non-Muslim.

We found ourselves trying to understand, to
reason, to come to grips with sights and sounds
coming in over the airwaves. But how could a
disaster so immense, so unexpected, so grave - be
understood ?! 


Who could have committed such evil? What kind of
soul could perpetrate such hatred? 
As news came out it was clear. The blame would be
placed squarely at the feat of America's Great
Satan: Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden. 
Calls for restraint and care were drowned out by
the lust, though understandable, for revenge. The
bearded, sweaty terrorists of every Americans
worst nightmare were brought to the fore. It was
simple, the enemy was one, the enemy was us
(Muslims). 
But whoever the perpetrator, whoever is
ultimately responsible, we must ask ourselves,
"Where in the human soul lay the source of such
hatred?" "What could produce such utter
desperation and disregard for life?" Without
doubt. Tuesday's events didn't appear out of a
vacuum. We can never justify or rationalize such
a tragedy, but we must attempt to understand WHY
! 
  
Yesterday, I discussed this with a teacher. She
also though that obscuring the lessons of this
tragedy with labels and oversimplifications would
only increase the loss. 
  
The reality is that Tuesday's tragedy, a
reprehensible crime against humanity, is an
expressions of years of pent up frustration,
despair, anger and resentment against the United
States. 
  
To call the attackers 'crazy', 'senseless', or
'mindless' is to miss the point. The attackers
must have been anything but. To lost sight of the
context out of which such hatred could flow is to
only set the stage for greater tragedies. 
  
If we allow ourselves the easy option of
dehumanizing the attackers in our minds, as they
must have dehumanized their victims before they
ended their lives, then we aid and escalate the
cycle of reciprocal violence and lead humanity to
darkness beyond imagination. 
  
Were the attackers really so much different than
the average American? Retired General Norman
Schwartzkopf seemed to think so. 
In a recent televised interview he said, "In Iraq
we went to great length to avoid civilian
casualties .. but these bastards went after
civilians. That's the difference between us and
them." 
  
But is this the truth, or is this what we'd like
be believe about ourselves? In a mid-nineteen
nineties interview, CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl
questioned the then US Ambassador to the UN,
Madeleine Albright, on the post-war sanctions
against Iraq : "We have heard that a half million
children have died. I mean, That's more children
that died in HIROSHIMA. And -and you know, is the
price worth it?" 
  
Albright's reply, "I think this is very hard
choice, but the price - we think the price is
worth it." 
Stahl won both an Emmy and a Dupont-Columbia
journalism award for this report, but Albright's
comment went virtually unremarked in the U.S. (
Though it received considerable attention in the
Middle East). Within six months, Madeleine
Albright was unanimously approved by the Senate
as U.S. Secretary of State. 
  
Price? Price? A heavy and grave price indeed that
lives of five hundred thousands innocent children
each with dreams and hopes of their own.
Aspirations for their young lives. Laughing and
loving sweet things and comfort. Loving play and
being naughty just like American children. 
How could we (as Americans) allow ourselves to be
silent while they died? Did we turn our eyes from
their humanity and worth? Did we not indeed
commit an unimaginable atrocity? Are we really
any different than the perpetrator of tueasdays
attack ? 
They cried to their mothers for food and comfort.
Mothers who could do nothing but tell them who
had done this to them. Telling them who had been
responsible for the pains in their stomachs. 
  
What would you do if this was how your little one
had died? What would you be capable of? 
But America told the world that deformities the
disease and death were 'Worth no price'. No,
these children were raised not on milk, BUT ON
THE BREAST OF BURNING HATE. Waiting to express
itself in an unthinkable explosion of revenge and
vindication. 
But let there be no question in the minds of our
neighbors, coworkers and friends - The Muslim
community stands with you in condemnation of this
offense against you. As we stand with the
children of Iraq. As we stand with the
dispossessed of Palestine. As we stand with all
who have been wronged. 
  
Many of us know all too well the taste of lives
lost. Ones whom we loved. Ones for whom we cried
tears. Ones whose joy and laughter we miss so
dearly. 
  
Robert Fisk, a well known reporter in the
Independent wrote a report towards understanding
this tragedy. He said : 

" ... And yes, Osama bin Ladin comes to mind, his
money, his theology, his frightening dedication
to destroy American power. I have sat in front of
bin Laden as he described how his men helped to
destroy the Russian army in Afghanistan and thus
the Soviet Union. Their boundless confidence
allowed them to declare war on America. But this
is not the war of democracy verses terror that
the world will be asked to believe in the coming
days. It is also about American missiles smashing
into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing
missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and
American shells crashing in village called Qana
and about a Lebanese militia paid and uniformed
by America's Israeli ally hacking and raping and
murdering their way through refugee camps ... 
... And there will be, inevitably, and quite
immorally, an attempt to obscure the historical
wrongs and the injustices that lie behind
yesterday's firestorms. We will be told about
"mindless terrorism", the "mindless" bit being
essential if we are not to realize how hated
America has become in the land of the birth of
three great religions. 

Ask an Arab how he responds to 20,000 or 30,000
innocent deaths and he or she will respond as
decent people should, that it is an unspeakable
crime. But they will ask why we did not use such
words about the sanction that have destroyed the
lives perhaps half a million children in Iraq,
why we did not rage about the seventeen thousands
civilians killed in Israel's 1982 invasion of
lebanon. And those basic reasons why the Middle
East caught fire last September the Israeli
occupation of Arab land, the dispossession of
Palestinians, the bombardments and
state-sponsored executions .. all these must be
obscured lest they provide the smallest
fractional reason for yesterday's mass savagery. 
Eight years ago, I helped to make a television
series that tried to explain why so many Muslims
had come to hate the West. Last night, I
remembered some of those Muslims in that film,
their families burnt by American-made bombs and
weapons. They talked about how no one would help
them but God. Theology versus technology, the
suicide bomber against the nuclear power. Now we
have learnt what this means" 
So what are the lessons to be learned from this
great disaster? 
We must work towards greater mutual
understanding. We must listen to each other. We
must humanize one another, and this cannot be
done at a distance. We cannot afford let bombs
teach this moment. 

Are we not all God's creatures? Do we not all
have stomachs, feel cold, feel pain, and need
comfort?
Do we not all deserve to be secure from harm and
dispossession? 
  
It is imperative that the Muslims join together
as one, for it is through this joining that the
Almighty and Wise shall make us strong. It's them
imperative that we set our course unto spreading
understanding and Mercy. And neutralizing enmity,
hate and ignorance. 
  

This kind of talk does not get us anywhere.
Just like ALL the Germans were held responsible at the time for 
not having done anything to prevent the Second World War 
atrocities, and confidently went along with anything their Nazi-
leaders told them, ALL Arabs will be held responsible if they 
are not able to take a clear stand in this terrorism-war. The 
Germans, fortunately, behaved very civilized after the war-years 
and are completely rehabilited on the world's political scene.
Why don't you do the same and stop being so hypocritical about 
yourselves.
And as far as the Afghans are concerned; go read yourselves a 
little history, and take a look at RAWA's web-site!! 
All the hatred being spread by Arabs throughout the world is 
right here, on internet, for everyone there to read. Dutch, 
Italian, German, English, US, Austrian, Australian newspapers: 
so many chilling things are happening right now in the western 
world, AGAINST the Western world, do you really never question 
yourselves about these things??
This has nothing to do with the Palestinian problem (even Hamas 
itself took distance from Bin-Laden!), or Iraq, where it is very 
convenient to Saddam Hussein if children in his country die, and 
he sure does not have any intention to improve their condition! 
This is about a new Hitler, Envy and Hatred.
So please start facing your responsibilities and stop being so 
smug! 

GET BACK GOVERNMENT PAGE!
GET BACK GOVERNMENT PAGE!
GET BACK GOVERNMENT PAGE!
GET BACK GOVERNMENT PAGE!
GET BACK GOVERNMENT PAGE!
FUCK YANKEE!

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Hey Binny?  Have you read this?


http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/10/15/hamas/

In the words of the late Freddy Mercury.....
"Another bites the dust...hey! hey!...another one bites the dust"

like I said.. I was addressing those with a more positive 
response and attitude, which automatically excludes people like 
yourself.

Ps. I am Sudanese. I dont Bullshit.. so please, if u have 
something constructive to say, be my guest, otherwise, zip it..

Peace..

SHUT UP idiot!  Go crawl back into your rat-hole!

Not man enough to fight face to face.....the have to send their 
rats to the states.  Doesnt say in the bible to beat women.  
Their young boys have to fight because the older men cant even 
get it up anymore.  Anger and stupidity in one only makes them 
defeat themself not who they are angry at.  You make the women 
cover their face because the cowardless spine in you cant face 
them.  Afraid maybe an American man might show them what a real 
man is.  You dont like american women because they would cut 
your throat if you hit them.  Never heard of God killing 
innocent people to rule a country either.  Dang where do you all 
get your beliefs? Out of that twisted mind of yours!  When you 
all die from your stupidity you will see the american flag and 
the flags of all the countries you have terrorized under you 
eyelids, our way of letting you know we are smiling as you are 
defeated.  We dont judge all and blame all of the people from 
there for your cowardness.......just the gutless cowards who 
think they have the brains to pull this off......the only thing 
that will be on the news is "Taliban Defeated No Longer Rules".  
You wont give the women rights there because they are smarter 
than you men.  How does it feel to be labeled as cowards?  
Spineless?  Making threats to the president and his wife does 
not scare them or their families.....because they know you are 
cowards.  It doesnt take a man to kill someone.  It takes 
someone that is jeolous because they are nothing and never will 
be so they try to destroy what they are jealous of.  You will 
not win!  If you believe in the bible then you should Know that 
what you have done and are doing will be judged when you die.  
You know it is wrong!  Remember when you sleep.....if you can 
because you know we are coming after you.......remember you are 
cowards and the women are more of a man than you.......COWARDS! 
Using your little toy car bombs and things in the states and in 
other countries is a big joke.  Real men dont do that!  You want 
to see a real man?  LOOK AT BUSH!  He is something you all will 
never be.  Atleast he has balls.  You all were born without 
them. How do you men tell who is a woman there with you all not 
having balls?  Kiss your asses goodbye! You made a big mistake!

How could you be so ignorant??? Celebrating the death of a man 
who was fighting the Israeli forces, which were occupying his 
land???

He wasnt even killed in a fight.. He was back stabbed. A bomb, 
that was wired to his car, blew up, on his way out of his 
office..!!

I have never seen a body so fried in my life.

Did u see the video of his burnt body on the tele, when they 
removed him from his car..???

You sick soul. I sure thank God that even the Americans are 
disgraced by people like you, as much as I am disgraced by 
people like Bin Laden.

You are no different yourself, than the scum you wish to call 
scum, nor are you any different from the 4 Israelis caught on 
video celebrating the attack on those innocents.

You Truly disgust me, you good for nothing ignorant fool!!!

Peace to All.. but you!

You are useless........you shamed your religion which you say is 
the reason for your actions.  You are a known shame to the whole 
world.......that must suck. Your people are ashamed of you.  You 
cant speak for god.  I am sure he has shamed you too.  Shamed 
and soon to be forgotten.  YOU ARE SHAMED!  You are nothing and 
never will be.  A bunch of toysoldiers!  What a joke!  

This is the kind of ignorant Americans that I apologised for 
earlier bro.

Please, chill. No death should be celebrated. He's a fool, and 
he doesnt speak for us.

Chill bro.

Israel finds terrorists and eliminates them!  What a concept!  
Sounds like you two are just pissed cause Israel waxed that 
coward!

By the way, "A Cool American"...don't apologize for who you 
think are the "other" Americans that you think agree with you!  
The majority of Americans share my view, pal...that is unless 
you're in some Ivory Tower...then I'm sure you'd be telling us 
we should try and understand ole Binny!  Hey, Ashraf and A Cool 
American...from all true Americans that are tired of being spit 
at by pacifist cowards like you.....I say BITE ME!!!!!

YES I DO LOVE SAND NIHHERS 1-800-948-0006

All of the worlds people are my creations. What are you doing in 
my name? Did I tell you to kill each other. Wake up people. Hate 
is not my name. I dont want you to kill each other nor 
yourselves. Those responsible for this destruction have been 
banished from my presence. I have cried. Love each other as I 
have loved you. I gave you guidelines to follow. The Koran, Holy 
Bible and The Tora are all of my thoughts. You are all The 
Children of Abraham. Live in Peace. Do not let the acts of a few 
misguided souls sway you from your purpose. The whole concept I 
have placed before you is to learn and love for I will need you 
all in my fight against evil. Turn your hearts from darkness and 
I shall reserve a spot for you in my kingdom. If you are Arab, 
protect the Jew. If you are Christain forgive those who 
persecute you. And if you are a Jew, offer both the Muslim and 
The Gentile a place at you dinner table. 

To Al-azha-habad: Turn from your errant ways before its too 
late. Those who kill in my name arent with me. They are in a 
void. Let loose the hatred in your heart.

To those grieveing for their loss in The Trade Towers my heart 
is open to you. Dont hate Nuslims for this loss. They are not 
responsible any more than the Bombers that destroy abortion 
clinics. Those people are with those that bombed the Trade 
Towers in my name: Darkness.

Love others and love yourselves. Life is my gift to the human 
race. Enjoy it while you can because its a short gift there on 
earth.

And stop cursing on this website. It makes you look bad! Bye for 
now. I have to go talk to the Zen and Hindu people. 

www.c-span.org

watch Benazair Bhutto's speech & you will see that she condemns 
bin Laden & what he is doing

I'm waiting, if our government fails to deal with the terrorist 
scum and this becomes a war of religions and cultures. I will 
give you muslims bio terror, it will most assuredly wipe you 
out.  we are decades ahead of anyone else in bio weapons. they 
shut my project down four years ago, but i didn't stop and i 
have a way to deliver my little gift to our enemies. but words 
are cheap just wait and see Osama Bin Laudin 

You see you're being smug with me?
Even though you are a Sudanese, you are also a Muslim.
Now you know very well that Mohammed did not grow up in 
Karthoum, he had his revelation in the hills of Al-Hira.
So, whether a Muslim is a native of Sudan, the Philippines, 
Indonesia or Finland, this still regards the Arabian culture, as 
you very well know yourself. 
Anyhow, I must say that since you condemn Osama Bin Laden, maybe 
there still is some hope.
By the way, I agree with you as far as "Warriors" is concerned.
This kind of violence really is disgusting. 

Link ! Osama that is for You !


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You were right on with most of what you said.  All those things 
are mostly true.  You know why?  Because we can.  We live in a 
civilized enough world to where we can think and do as we 
please.  Yes we do have crime and the occasional national 
tragedy but for the most part we don't have to worry about bombs 
getting dropped on us or opposing governments trying to 
overthrow the existing government.  I always hear people 
overseas and in the middle east bitch about how we live and take 
for granted our everyday freedom.  Well we can.  It's not our 
fault you live so shitty.  Maybe if you would set aside your 
differences and try to work together, you could rebuild the 
middle east to what it once was.  I don't always agree with how 
our government operates internally and externally but they got 
it right enough to where my only worries are paying bills and 
what I will eat for dinner tonight.  So go ahead and bitch about 
how cocky we are, how ignorant we are, or how brainwashed we 
are.  It's all because we can.  I will sleep tight tonight, will 
you?
One more thing.  To the Al-Qaeda terrorist group.  Do you 
actually think that you will be able to hijack another plane?  I 
guarantee the next hijacker that tries to take over a plane will 
get jumped by all the passengers on board and get the ever holy 
shit beat out of him.  We learned our lesson from Sept 11th.  
Sweet Dreams.

WASHINGTON, DC Responding to the threats facing America's free 
democratic system, White House officials called upon Americans 
to stop exercising their democratic freedoms Monday.

Ari Fleischer urges Americans to keep their mouths shut.
  
      "In this time of national crisis, a time when our most 
cherished freedoms are threatened, all Americans not just 
outspoken talk-show hosts like Bill Maher must watch what they 
say," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told 
reporters. "Now more than ever, if we want to protect democracy 
for future generations, it is vital that nobody speak out about 
the issues of the day."

      "We must all do our patriotic duty to protect our 
country's great ideals," Fleischer continued, "and we have to be 
careful about what opinions we express if we are to defend our 
Constitution, a sacred document behind which all Americans must 
stand united as one."

      Fleischer's sentiments echoed those of many executive-
branch officials, who, in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have 
called for broad-based limitations on civil liberties and urged 
all patriotic, freedom-loving citizens to support those 
restrictions in defense of the American way of life.

      "We live in a land governed by plurality of opinion in an 
open electorate, but we are now under siege by adherents of a 
fundamentalist, totalitarian belief system that tolerates no 
dissent," Attorney General John Ashcroft said. "Our most basic 
American values are threatened by an enemy opposed to everything 
for which our flag stands. That is why I call upon all Americans 
to submit to wiretaps, e-mail monitoring, and racial profiling. 
Now is not the time to allow simplistic, romantic notions 
of 'civil liberties' and 'equal protection under the law' to get 
in the way of our battle with the enemies of freedom."

      In the past, Ashcroft said, efforts by federal agencies to 
restrict personal freedoms were "severely hampered" by such 
factors as the judicial system, the Bill Of Rights, 
and "government by the people." Since the attacks, however, some 
such limitations have been waived, finally giving the CIA, FBI, 
Pentagon, and White House the greater powers they need to defend 
freedom.

      U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who advocated permitting the 
CIA to engage in various illegal activities during a recent 
Tonight Show With Jay Leno appearance, stressed the importance 
of not merely submitting to freedom-curtailment policies, but 
also blindly agreeing with them.

      "Now is not the time for such divisive, destructive things 
as dialogue and debate," McCain said. "Now is not the time 
for, 'My opinion is just as valid as yours,' and 'What are my 
country's leaders doing and why?' and 'I have a question, Mr. 
President.' Now is the time for one thing and one thing only: 
The defense of the American democratic ideal. Any and all who 
disagree with this directive, or who have different ideas about 
how it should be accomplished, should learn to shut their 
mouths."

      As the U.S. prepares to mobilize forces against 
Afghanistan, the military is seeking strong limitations on the 
press. According to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, such a 
Constitution-flouting move would not be unprecedented, citing 
the suspension of habeas corpus in the Civil War and the order 
to round up 110,000 Japanese-Americans in detention camps after 
the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

      "Remember, under the oppressive Taliban regime, people 
live in constant fear of an oppressive order to which all must 
submit," Rumsfeld said. "Under their system, it is illegal to 
practice a different religion or support a different political 
system. It is against the law for women to work or leave their 
homes without their faces covered. There is no freedom of 
speech, press, or assembly, as dissent of any kind is not 
tolerated. It is even forbidden to smile or laugh in public, and 
all who fail to unquestioningly obey are punished with reprisals 
of brutal violence. We must not allow such a regime to threaten 
our great democracy. We must stand for something better than 
that."

      "It is therefore urgent," Rumsfeld continued, "that all 
Americans be quiet, stop asking questions, accept the orders of 
authorities, and let us get on with the important work of 
defending liberty, so that America can continue to be a beacon 
of freedom to all the world."

HEY BUD,
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.  WHEN OLD OSAMA IS KILLED THERE 
WILL BE DANCING IN THE STREETS.  THE SAME WILL HAPPEN WHEN THAT 
USELESS PIECE OF SHIT HUSSEIN IS KILLED AND I PERSONNALLY WILL 
JUMP FOR JOY WHEN ARAFAT IS WAXED BY THE ISRAELIS.

KILL'EM ALL.  LET GOD SORT'EM OUT.

GOD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLS FROM ABOVE.  THAT'S WHAT 
AMERICAN PARATROOPERS DO.  THEY WILL GET OSAMA SUCKS A DICK.  
YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK.

AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY!

http://209.50.252.70/p_en/news/archives/00000185.htm
10/15/2001 : "Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks'" 
Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks' 
  Pentagon hardliners press for strikes on Saddam 
  Britain's GPs put on full alert over deadly disease 
American investigators probing anthrax outbreaks in Florida and 
New York believe they have all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack 
- and have named Iraq as prime suspect as the source of the deadly 
spores.
Their inquiries are adding to what US hawks say is a growing mass 
of evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved, possibly indirectly, 
with the 11 September hijackers. 

If investigators' fears are confirmed - and sceptics fear American 
hawks could be publicising the claim to press their cas